From marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org Thu Oct 2 01:19:19 2008 From: marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org (Marc Van Coillie) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:19:19 +0200 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] Participation to Launch meeting in Maastricht is free of charge, don't forget to register ! Message-ID: Dear all, as you may know (if not I apologize to have forgotten to send you the informaiton) the launch meeting for the HR-EDU SIG is planned to take place on 22nd of October during the first day of the 6th ePortfolio and Digital Identity Conference that will take place this year again in Maastricht. http://www.epforum.eu/ep2008/conference/programme We will have a good delegation from european regions during this event and representatives from OpenID Europe, HR-XML Consortiums as well TAS3 research project which deal on related issues (www.tas3.eu) in addition to the ePortfolio community. As this SIG is open and public, we are pleased to invite you to participate freely to this part of the event. Of course you could also participate to the other days of the events, in which case I suggest you first regiter for this other days (and/or the social diner) using the partner discount code below: PaRtNeR08 To register on the Conference Management System: https://www.conftool.net/ep2008/ And then send me (marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org) your email or username detail so I will add your free participation to the SIG workshop day. The event will take place in only few weeks, so please keep me in touch asap. Hope to see all of you there ! Best regards, Marc Marc Van Coillie CTO EIfEL http://www.eife-l.org/ Skype : marc-eifel Membership: EFQUEL, Europortfolio, HR-XML (leader of Europass WG), IEEE LTSC (RDC WG), Liberty Alliance (sponsor member), OpenID Europe Expert for the CEN/ISSS WS LT -------------------------------------------------------- Upcoming events: International ePortfolio and Digital Identity Conference, Maastricht, 22-24th October 2008 : http://www.epforum.eu/ eLearning Forum, Paris 19-20th January 2009 : http://www.ilearningforum.eu/ Recognition and Accreditation of Competencies Forum, Paris 19-20th January 2009 : http://www.racforum.eu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081002/a994f18c/attachment.html From marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org Thu Oct 16 02:06:22 2008 From: marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org (Marc Van Coillie) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:06:22 +0200 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] A quick Doodle survey to define the scope of the SIG Message-ID: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> Dear all Sig participants, I'm for the moment the chair of this group (until the first official election maybe ;-)), The Press Release to announce the creation of this SIG has been published yesterday in three languages: FR, EN, DE, you could find more information and links to some of the publication websites from the wiki: http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/HR-EDU_SIG#Links_-_Press_Releases In order to prepare the agenda for the launch meeting next wedensday in Maastricht I've prepared a short Doodle Form to propose different focus for the group, it will take you only one minute or two to fill it (less time than to read the other part of this email :-)): http://www.doodle.ch/4u66y5b4n573ccge I've put a short comment in it regarding my own felling, here is more information about what I will propose you: (in the paragraph below the ID-SIS is defined in Liberty as an IDentity Service Interface Specification, I use this word to define an XML user data structure that could be use independing of the identity framework (LA, OpenID, InfoCard...), I will add a specific mention to indicate if its for example an OpenID or a Liberty one) - 0 ) Avoid too semantic or technical discussion here First of all, my own felling is that the scope of this WG is not to deal with semantic of data structure, we are assuming to use existing XML specifications already existing in their respective communities such as HR-XML and IMS Global, so I suggest to all people interest in semantics to join these organisations/community directly. In the same way I would like to avoid as much as possible any implementation / technical bugs discussion in the mailing list nor in the wiki. Anyway if needed it should clearly be better to put in place a bugzilla system to collect and manage them but as it is mostly related to technical implementation most of the system editors / vendors have their own support service. - 1 and 2 (these two points are more explained below)) Work on Europass with a short term focus and a long term one We could work on the Europass documents interoperability as this worker/learner mobility framework is well defined, mainly based on simple set of information (in theory ;-)) and this work should be usefull for other countries / regions worldwide. - 3) Look at other use cases related to employbality / life long learning, we expect that some of them could be produce by the EU research project TAS3 (Trusted Architecture for Securely Shared Services, http://www.tas3.eu) in which two employability pilots will take place : one in UK more oriented to ease student employability, the other one in NL more oriented to the worker mobility and lifelonglearning/accreditation of competencies. Several SIG participants are already involved in this project (even myself) so that will ease discussion, if you have any other projects that could give more input to this SIG please inform us. All inputs warmy welcome ! - 4) Working on simple dissemination materials for decision makers (at national/regional/educational level) These information are also published in the wiki : http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/Launch-meeting-proposal so you could reflect on these proposal even here or in the wiki. More information about points 1 and 2: 1) in a very short term (probably 3 to 6 months) Finalising the Liberty HR ID-SIS draft proposal which is in fact the Europass CV HR-XML binding that is already used in the CV Universel project and implemented also by EuroCV.eu service. While waiting for other implementation, the reference implementation could be the Universal CV. Working on an OpenID HR ID-SIS using the same data structure and looking for "champions" to implement it for testing. OR as the Cedefop is working on a new release of the Europass CV model (v2 that will replace the actual v1.2) and HR-XML on a new release of their own sepc (v3) we could also already start to work on updating the existing profile to support them. BUT this will probably delay the publication of a possible related HR/Europass CV ID-SIS 2) Include other Europass elements (1 year) The European Europass framework include other elements that could be/or not included in our "profiling" work: a) - The Language Portfolio : this is a short document that is owned/managed by the Citizen himself which is quite close to the Europass CV so it could be easily implemented using optional elements in the HR/Europass CV ID-SIS --> Easy to do, could work easily on top of LA as well as OpenID just as a short extension to the Europass CV ID-SIS (only 3 to 6 months needed) - The Diploma Supplement : this is a document which is hosted/produce by universities but we could easily linked/referenced them in Europass CV. In which case in order to manage the sharing of such DS between services online we will probably need some additional feature such as delegation which are available within Liberty specifications (Using People Service and Identity Governance Framework). This will complexify the implementation but this is needed here. The main issue won't be on the implementation anyway but more on the community profiling work in each EU Countries. We have seen in a previous EU research project (Telcert) that each countries are actually using different Diploma Supplement profiles (all paper based as far as I know) with some big differencies, like in France we have a unique ID for each student which is used in the DS profile while in Germany this information (Student ID) has been suppressed in their profile. In the other way the German DS include detail about student results while in France these informaiton has been rejected to avoid any possible discrimination based on it... So we may have some long discussions/debates in perspective :-) --> Not too complex to modelise in theory for demonstration / proof of concept using LA specs, quite more difficult to obtain a global cosensus on a common DS profile for all EU countries, so even more complex to extend this globally. - The Certificate Supplement : the idea in Europass for this element is the same ad the DS but regarding Certificates delivered by other organisations such as Training companies/ certification center... In most of the European Countries we have national repositories which include a list of the available Certificates in the country which already include most of the information needed to filled in the CS (such as the RNCP done by the CNCP in France : http://www.cncp.gouv.fr/). Issues will append probably here more at a political level but we could already look at doing a benchmark of the different national repositories format to check if there are any profiling issues. --> Maybe more easy to work on an implementation of this than the DS but in the other way we have to deal here with more smaller organisations for exploitation of this profile. - The Mobility Pass which is document used to ease/manage student mobility in Europe between universities, this is already well supported by Cedefop and Europass national agencies so in my point of view except if the Cedefop or any Europass agency request it, it is not needed to work on this for the moment. Any comments welcome, Kind regards, Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081016/f0353764/attachment.html From marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org Thu Oct 16 06:52:29 2008 From: marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org (Marc Van Coillie) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:52:29 +0200 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? In-Reply-To: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> References: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> Message-ID: <7FEAC9AFE026459490C5C21AF162F6CA@MarcDell> Hi Brett and Snorri, In order to prepare next week meeting, I need some short information regarding your organisations internal process for profiling and submiting new proposals that could (should :-)) be produce in this group. We could take the example of the Europass CV which is quite well defined now in terms of data structure and XML schema binding. http://www.eife-l.org/publications/standards/interop/europasscv/europassCV-HRXML-AP Sampo as already prepare a draft proposal to publish it as an Liberty HR ID-SIS, this draft is actually hosted on Concordia website: http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf (I will move it soon to this SIG, we will have to update it to take into account last modifications on the HR-XML profile coming from the Universal CV project) What it is the internal process Brett in Liberty to submit it for publication/review by the TEG ? How much time will it take ? We are facing the issue in this SIG that both the Cedefop Europass CV model will be updated soon as well as the HR-XML specs, so a revision of the actual profile will be then needed... We have to take the decision of publishing quickly the actual profile to increase its usage or directly working on a new profile (so all your information could help to take during the vote that I expect could take place next week). Snorri is there the same kind of process for profile we want to use in addition to OpenID Attribute Exchange Specs ? http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html Are there specific requirements/template we have to use ? (for example to use it with Liberty Web Service Framework there is some additional information in Sampo's document related to namespace available request in Soap/Wsdl, XPath expressions...) While digging more on this it seems that this is managed by the AXSchema.org community (http://www.axschema.org/), is it right ? If yes as they are not using XML schema and recreating common base type/attributes (i.e. address) which are already very well define in the HR-XML specs this may impose us to recreate all the HR-XML types/structure used in Europass CV using the AXSchema 'way of life' ? (I guess this should be the same with Microsoft Infocard, I will look at it)... This is not impossible and is not a so long work but this will lead to a new Europass CV structure specific to OpenID that we have to maintain with more work needed to build a bridge for CV data exchange between LA and OpenID services. Brett is this last point already studied in other community such as the Concordia project or other Liberty SIG ? Best regards, Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081016/6c05ce88/attachment-0001.html From britta at projectliberty.org Thu Oct 16 07:04:26 2008 From: britta at projectliberty.org (Britta Glade) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:04:26 -0700 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? In-Reply-To: <7FEAC9AFE026459490C5C21AF162F6CA@MarcDell> References: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> <7FEAC9AFE026459490C5C21AF162F6CA@MarcDell> Message-ID: Marc-- copying this to Joni, who manages all processes for Liberty (among many other things!). I know Brett's heads down on several projects, and wanted to be sure you got a speedy answer. Joni can help there. Thanks. --b. 2008/10/16 Marc Van Coillie > Hi Brett and Snorri, > In order to prepare next week meeting, I need some short information > regarding your organisations internal process for profiling and submiting > new proposals that could (should :-)) be produce in this group. > > We could take the example of the Europass CV which is quite well defined > now in terms of data structure and XML schema binding. > > http://www.eife-l.org/publications/standards/interop/europasscv/europassCV-HRXML-AP > > Sampo as already prepare a draft proposal to publish it as an Liberty HR > ID-SIS, this draft is actually hosted on Concordia website: > > http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf > (I will move it soon to this SIG, we will have to update it to take into > account last modifications on the HR-XML profile coming from the Universal > CV project) > > What it is the internal process Brett in Liberty to submit it for > publication/review by the TEG ? > How much time will it take ? > We are facing the issue in this SIG that both the Cedefop Europass CV model > will be updated soon as well as the HR-XML specs, so a revision of the > actual profile will be then needed... We have to take the decision of > publishing quickly the actual profile to increase its usage or directly > working on a new profile (so all your information could help to take during > the vote that I expect could take place next week). > > Snorri is there the same kind of process for profile we want to use in > addition to OpenID Attribute Exchange Specs ? > http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html > > Are there specific requirements/template we have to use ? > (for example to use it with Liberty Web Service Framework there is some > additional information in Sampo's document related to namespace available > request in Soap/Wsdl, XPath expressions...) > > While digging more on this it seems that this is managed by the > AXSchema.org community (http://www.axschema.org/), is it right ? > If yes as they are not using XML schema and recreating common base > type/attributes (i.e. address) which are already very well define in the > HR-XML specs this may impose us to recreate all the HR-XML types/structure > used in Europass CV using the AXSchema 'way of life' ? (I guess this should > be the same with Microsoft Infocard, I will look at it)... > This is not impossible and is not a so long work but this will lead to a > new Europass CV structure specific to OpenID that we have to maintain with > more work needed to build a bridge for CV data exchange between LA and > OpenID services. > > Brett is this last point already studied in other community such as the > Concordia project or other Liberty SIG ? > > Best regards, > Marc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-hr-edu mailing list > Sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org > > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org > > -- Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081016/e4f76158/attachment.html From brett at projectliberty.org Thu Oct 16 10:27:41 2008 From: brett at projectliberty.org (Brett McDowell) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? In-Reply-To: References: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> <7FEAC9AFE026459490C5C21AF162F6CA@MarcDell> Message-ID: <3D357800-CA6A-4858-B921-4ABBC2E81B62@projectliberty.org> On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Britta Glade wrote: > Marc-- > copying this to Joni, who manages all processes for Liberty (among > many other things!). I know Brett's heads down on several projects, > and wanted to be sure you got a speedy answer. Joni can help there. > Thanks. > Agreed. Joni can work with you on the process for taking the Concordia document and getting that submitted into TEG (I would expect this would be done by Sampo as a Symlabs contribution). That said, I wanted to address a few of your questions below... > --b. > > 2008/10/16 Marc Van Coillie > Hi Brett and Snorri, > In order to prepare next week meeting, I need some short information > regarding your organisations internal process for profiling and > submiting new proposals that could (should :-)) be produce in this > group. I think having Joni provide you with our Document Policy and SIG Policy, along with her overview and recommendations on practical next steps, should provide you with all you need for the meeting. > > We could take the example of the Europass CV which is quite well > defined now in terms of data structure and XML schema binding. > http://www.eife-l.org/publications/standards/interop/europasscv/europassCV-HRXML-AP > We have been working together for a long time to ensure harmonization between HR-XML and Liberty specifications so I would strongly agree that we take the EuropassCV-HRXML-AP as critical input to the process. > Sampo as already prepare a draft proposal to publish it as an > Liberty HR ID-SIS, this draft is actually hosted on Concordia website: > http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf > (I will move it soon to this SIG, we will have to update it to take > into account last modifications on the HR-XML profile coming from > the Universal CV project) It will be pretty straight forward for Sampo to submit this into TEG for formal review and standardization. > > What it is the internal process Brett in Liberty to submit it for > publication/review by the TEG ? > How much time will it take ? > We are facing the issue in this SIG that both the Cedefop Europass > CV model will be updated soon as well as the HR-XML specs, so a > revision of the actual profile will be then needed... We have to > take the decision of publishing quickly the actual profile to > increase its usage or directly working on a new profile (so all your > information could help to take during the vote that I expect could > take place next week). The process that Joni will cover with you in more detail is very streamlined for a recognized standards-setting organization. This is not a time consuming process and I expect the revisions will not take a lot of effort, but I should let Sampo speak to that since he's the editor of the profile. > > Snorri is there the same kind of process for profile we want to use > in addition to OpenID Attribute Exchange Specs ? > http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html Snorri, are you familiar with the open source work going on in OpenLiberty.org and the Higgins Project related to bootstrapping an OpenID authentication into an ID-WSF attribute exchange? Asa Hardcastle demonstrated this using all open source code at the most recent IIW. I think this is a potential way of including OpenID authentications in the HR EDU deployment scenario without incurring all the additional overhead of re-creating the data structures already created in HR-XML and ID-SIS-HR-XML. Is this a reasonable path forward? > > Are there specific requirements/template we have to use ? > (for example to use it with Liberty Web Service Framework there is > some additional information in Sampo's document related to namespace > available request in Soap/Wsdl, XPath expressions...) > > While digging more on this it seems that this is managed by the > AXSchema.org community (http://www.axschema.org/), is it right ? > If yes as they are not using XML schema and recreating common base > type/attributes (i.e. address) which are already very well define in > the HR-XML specs this may impose us to recreate all the HR-XML types/ > structure used in Europass CV using the AXSchema 'way of life' ? (I > guess this should be the same with Microsoft Infocard, I will look > at it)... > This is not impossible and is not a so long work but this will lead > to a new Europass CV structure specific to OpenID that we have to > maintain with more work needed to build a bridge for CV data > exchange between LA and OpenID services. See above for an alternative approach that brings the two protocol families closer together than this re-creation approach would. > > Brett is this last point already studied in other community such as > the Concordia project or other Liberty SIG ? Given what I've outlined above, I think the answer is clearly "yes". Moreover, I think this is work that we could engage Concordia & OSIS on as use-cases to demonstrate at the next big public interoperability event they are co-producing at the RSA Security Conference next year. > > Best regards, > Marc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-hr-edu mailing list > Sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org > > > > > -- > Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081016/f1c6d497/attachment.html From marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org Fri Oct 17 06:14:56 2008 From: marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org (Marc Van Coillie) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:14:56 +0200 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? In-Reply-To: <3D357800-CA6A-4858-B921-4ABBC2E81B62@projectliberty.org> References: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> <7FEAC9AFE026459490C5C21AF162F6CA@MarcDell> <3D357800-CA6A-4858-B921-4ABBC2E81B62@projectliberty.org> Message-ID: <55D6DBC7482D4560AE0DA1566DAF71EA@MarcDell> Hi Brett, many thanks for your input, I'm agree with you the "bootstraping" proposal sounds an efficient way to go in a first step in order to support HR-XML CV exchange using OpenID authentication without recreating all the data structure. But in this scenario all OpenID personal attribute consummer or provider services have to support the ID-WSF in addition to OpenID. Pierre could you ask Damien to check if it will be possible to tune/adapt the Larpe Identity Proxy module used in CV Universel so that it could be used with also with OpenID authentication in addition to SAML 2 ? This may solve a part of the issue for all attribute consummer services. Best regards, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett McDowell To: Britta Glade Cc: Marc Van Coillie ; Joni Brennan ; Snorri ; sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Britta Glade wrote: Marc-- copying this to Joni, who manages all processes for Liberty (among many other things!). I know Brett's heads down on several projects, and wanted to be sure you got a speedy answer. Joni can help there. Thanks. Agreed. Joni can work with you on the process for taking the Concordia document and getting that submitted into TEG (I would expect this would be done by Sampo as a Symlabs contribution). That said, I wanted to address a few of your questions below... --b. 2008/10/16 Marc Van Coillie Hi Brett and Snorri, In order to prepare next week meeting, I need some short information regarding your organisations internal process for profiling and submiting new proposals that could (should :-)) be produce in this group. I think having Joni provide you with our Document Policy and SIG Policy, along with her overview and recommendations on practical next steps, should provide you with all you need for the meeting. We could take the example of the Europass CV which is quite well defined now in terms of data structure and XML schema binding. http://www.eife-l.org/publications/standards/interop/europasscv/europassCV-HRXML-AP We have been working together for a long time to ensure harmonization between HR-XML and Liberty specifications so I would strongly agree that we take the EuropassCV-HRXML-AP as critical input to the process. Sampo as already prepare a draft proposal to publish it as an Liberty HR ID-SIS, this draft is actually hosted on Concordia website: http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf (I will move it soon to this SIG, we will have to update it to take into account last modifications on the HR-XML profile coming from the Universal CV project) It will be pretty straight forward for Sampo to submit this into TEG for formal review and standardization. What it is the internal process Brett in Liberty to submit it for publication/review by the TEG ? How much time will it take ? We are facing the issue in this SIG that both the Cedefop Europass CV model will be updated soon as well as the HR-XML specs, so a revision of the actual profile will be then needed... We have to take the decision of publishing quickly the actual profile to increase its usage or directly working on a new profile (so all your information could help to take during the vote that I expect could take place next week). The process that Joni will cover with you in more detail is very streamlined for a recognized standards-setting organization. This is not a time consuming process and I expect the revisions will not take a lot of effort, but I should let Sampo speak to that since he's the editor of the profile. Snorri is there the same kind of process for profile we want to use in addition to OpenID Attribute Exchange Specs ? http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html Snorri, are you familiar with the open source work going on in OpenLiberty.org and the Higgins Project related to bootstrapping an OpenID authentication into an ID-WSF attribute exchange? Asa Hardcastle demonstrated this using all open source code at the most recent IIW. I think this is a potential way of including OpenID authentications in the HR EDU deployment scenario without incurring all the additional overhead of re-creating the data structures already created in HR-XML and ID-SIS-HR-XML. Is this a reasonable path forward? Are there specific requirements/template we have to use ? (for example to use it with Liberty Web Service Framework there is some additional information in Sampo's document related to namespace available request in Soap/Wsdl, XPath expressions...) While digging more on this it seems that this is managed by the AXSchema.org community (http://www.axschema.org/), is it right ? If yes as they are not using XML schema and recreating common base type/attributes (i.e. address) which are already very well define in the HR-XML specs this may impose us to recreate all the HR-XML types/structure used in Europass CV using the AXSchema 'way of life' ? (I guess this should be the same with Microsoft Infocard, I will look at it)... This is not impossible and is not a so long work but this will lead to a new Europass CV structure specific to OpenID that we have to maintain with more work needed to build a bridge for CV data exchange between LA and OpenID services. See above for an alternative approach that brings the two protocol families closer together than this re-creation approach would. Brett is this last point already studied in other community such as the Concordia project or other Liberty SIG ? Given what I've outlined above, I think the answer is clearly "yes". Moreover, I think this is work that we could engage Concordia & OSIS on as use-cases to demonstrate at the next big public interoperability event they are co-producing at the RSA Security Conference next year. Best regards, Marc _______________________________________________ Sig-hr-edu mailing list Sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org -- Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081017/d3f160a4/attachment-0001.html From brett at projectliberty.org Fri Oct 17 07:41:22 2008 From: brett at projectliberty.org (Brett McDowell) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:41:22 -0400 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? In-Reply-To: <55D6DBC7482D4560AE0DA1566DAF71EA@MarcDell> References: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> <7FEAC9AFE026459490C5C21AF162F6CA@MarcDell> <3D357800-CA6A-4858-B921-4ABBC2E81B62@projectliberty.org> <55D6DBC7482D4560AE0DA1566DAF71EA@MarcDell> Message-ID: Let me introduce the group to Asa Hardcastle of Zenn New Media (also a founder of OpenLiberty.org) since Asa has done this sort of thing before, using all open source libraries (some that he wrote himself). Asa, please review this thread for context. You can get even more context by talking with Sampo. In short, this is a large-scale deployment opportunity which seems to be in need of an OpenID bootstrap into ID-WSF to support Sampo's new ID-SIS-HR-XML spec. Pierre & Marc, even though it's true that these personal attribute services consumers/providers would have to support ID-WSF in addition to OpenID, the good news is that all of this stuff is currently available in open source and has been demonstrated to interoperate already (at least on the consumer side, not sure about the provider side ID-WSF libraries). P.S. Joni, would you subscribe Asa to this list? || Brett McDowell | Calendar | Blog | Profile | +1.413.652.1248 On Oct 17, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Marc Van Coillie wrote: > Hi Brett, > many thanks for your input, I'm agree with you the "bootstraping" > proposal sounds an efficient way to go in a first step in order to > support HR-XML CV exchange using OpenID authentication without > recreating all the data structure. > But in this scenario all OpenID personal attribute consummer or > provider services have to support the ID-WSF in addition to OpenID. > > Pierre could you ask Damien to check if it will be possible to tune/ > adapt the Larpe Identity Proxy module used in CV Universel so that > it could be used with also with OpenID authentication in addition to > SAML 2 ? This may solve a part of the issue for all attribute > consummer services. > > > Best regards, > Marc > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brett McDowell > To: Britta Glade > Cc: Marc Van Coillie ; Joni Brennan ; Snorri ; sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile > publication ? > > > On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Britta Glade wrote: > >> Marc-- >> copying this to Joni, who manages all processes for Liberty (among >> many other things!). I know Brett's heads down on several >> projects, and wanted to be sure you got a speedy answer. Joni can >> help there. Thanks. >> > Agreed. Joni can work with you on the process for taking the > Concordia document and getting that submitted into TEG (I would > expect this would be done by Sampo as a Symlabs contribution). > > That said, I wanted to address a few of your questions below... > >> --b. >> >> 2008/10/16 Marc Van Coillie >> Hi Brett and Snorri, >> In order to prepare next week meeting, I need some short >> information regarding your organisations internal process for >> profiling and submiting new proposals that could (should :-)) be >> produce in this group. > > I think having Joni provide you with our Document Policy and SIG > Policy, along with her overview and recommendations on practical > next steps, should provide you with all you need for the meeting. > >> >> We could take the example of the Europass CV which is quite well >> defined now in terms of data structure and XML schema binding. >> http://www.eife-l.org/publications/standards/interop/europasscv/europassCV-HRXML-AP >> > > We have been working together for a long time to ensure > harmonization between HR-XML and Liberty specifications so I would > strongly agree that we take the EuropassCV-HRXML-AP as critical > input to the process. > >> Sampo as already prepare a draft proposal to publish it as an >> Liberty HR ID-SIS, this draft is actually hosted on Concordia >> website: >> http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf >> (I will move it soon to this SIG, we will have to update it to take >> into account last modifications on the HR-XML profile coming from >> the Universal CV project) > > It will be pretty straight forward for Sampo to submit this into TEG > for formal review and standardization. > >> >> What it is the internal process Brett in Liberty to submit it for >> publication/review by the TEG ? >> How much time will it take ? >> We are facing the issue in this SIG that both the Cedefop Europass >> CV model will be updated soon as well as the HR-XML specs, so a >> revision of the actual profile will be then needed... We have to >> take the decision of publishing quickly the actual profile to >> increase its usage or directly working on a new profile (so all >> your information could help to take during the vote that I expect >> could take place next week). > > The process that Joni will cover with you in more detail is very > streamlined for a recognized standards-setting organization. This > is not a time consuming process and I expect the revisions will not > take a lot of effort, but I should let Sampo speak to that since > he's the editor of the profile. > >> >> Snorri is there the same kind of process for profile we want to use >> in addition to OpenID Attribute Exchange Specs ? >> http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html > > Snorri, are you familiar with the open source work going on in > OpenLiberty.org and the Higgins Project related to bootstrapping an > OpenID authentication into an ID-WSF attribute exchange? Asa > Hardcastle demonstrated this using all open source code at the most > recent IIW. I think this is a potential way of including OpenID > authentications in the HR EDU deployment scenario without incurring > all the additional overhead of re-creating the data structures > already created in HR-XML and ID-SIS-HR-XML. Is this a reasonable > path forward? > >> >> Are there specific requirements/template we have to use ? >> (for example to use it with Liberty Web Service Framework there is >> some additional information in Sampo's document related to >> namespace available request in Soap/Wsdl, XPath expressions...) >> >> While digging more on this it seems that this is managed by the >> AXSchema.org community (http://www.axschema.org/), is it right ? >> If yes as they are not using XML schema and recreating common base >> type/attributes (i.e. address) which are already very well define >> in the HR-XML specs this may impose us to recreate all the HR-XML >> types/structure used in Europass CV using the AXSchema 'way of >> life' ? (I guess this should be the same with Microsoft Infocard, I >> will look at it)... >> This is not impossible and is not a so long work but this will lead >> to a new Europass CV structure specific to OpenID that we have to >> maintain with more work needed to build a bridge for CV data >> exchange between LA and OpenID services. > > See above for an alternative approach that brings the two protocol > families closer together than this re-creation approach would. > >> >> Brett is this last point already studied in other community such as >> the Concordia project or other Liberty SIG ? > > Given what I've outlined above, I think the answer is clearly > "yes". Moreover, I think this is work that we could engage > Concordia & OSIS on as use-cases to demonstrate at the next big > public interoperability event they are co-producing at the RSA > Security Conference next year. > >> >> Best regards, >> Marc >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sig-hr-edu mailing list >> Sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org >> http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081017/1456b156/attachment.html From snorri at snorri.eu Fri Oct 17 10:00:38 2008 From: snorri at snorri.eu (Snorri) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:00:38 +0200 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? In-Reply-To: <947ea3330810170929p68fe7246u8781a29fa4890a81@mail.gmail.com> References: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> <7FEAC9AFE026459490C5C21AF162F6CA@MarcDell> <3D357800-CA6A-4858-B921-4ABBC2E81B62@projectliberty.org> <55D6DBC7482D4560AE0DA1566DAF71EA@MarcDell> <947ea3330810170929p68fe7246u8781a29fa4890a81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009d01c93079$e7da4fb0$b78eef10$@eu> Welcome Asa! :) Brett, if you want you also can use the European Mailing List: http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/eu Thanks -Snorri De : jonibrennan at gmail.com [mailto:jonibrennan at gmail.com] De la part de Joni Brennan Envoy? : vendredi 17 octobre 2008 18:30 ? : Brett McDowell Cc : Marc Van Coillie; Asa Hardcastle; Britta Glade; Snorri; sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org Objet : Re: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? Hi All, Asa is now subscribed to this list. Thanks On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Brett McDowell wrote: Let me introduce the group to Asa Hardcastle of Zenn New Media (also a founder of OpenLiberty.org) since Asa has done this sort of thing before, using all open source libraries (some that he wrote himself). Asa, please review this thread for context. You can get even more context by talking with Sampo. In short, this is a large-scale deployment opportunity which seems to be in need of an OpenID bootstrap into ID-WSF to support Sampo's new ID-SIS-HR-XML spec. Pierre & Marc, even though it's true that these personal attribute services consumers/providers would have to support ID-WSF in addition to OpenID, the good news is that all of this stuff is currently available in open source and has been demonstrated to interoperate already (at least on the consumer side, not sure about the provider side ID-WSF libraries). P.S. Joni, would you subscribe Asa to this list? || Brett McDowell | Calendar | Blog | Profile | +1.413.652.1248 On Oct 17, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Marc Van Coillie wrote: Hi Brett, many thanks for your input, I'm agree with you the "bootstraping" proposal sounds an efficient way to go in a first step in order to support HR-XML CV exchange using OpenID authentication without recreating all the data structure. But in this scenario all OpenID personal attribute consummer or provider services have to support the ID-WSF in addition to OpenID. Pierre could you ask Damien to check if it will be possible to tune/adapt the Larpe Identity Proxy module used in CV Universel so that it could be used with also with OpenID authentication in addition to SAML 2 ? This may solve a part of the issue for all attribute consummer services. Best regards, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett McDowell To: Britta Glade Cc: Marc Van Coillie ; Joni Brennan ; Snorri ; sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Britta Glade wrote: Marc-- copying this to Joni, who manages all processes for Liberty (among many other things!). I know Brett's heads down on several projects, and wanted to be sure you got a speedy answer. Joni can help there. Thanks. Agreed. Joni can work with you on the process for taking the Concordia document and getting that submitted into TEG (I would expect this would be done by Sampo as a Symlabs contribution). That said, I wanted to address a few of your questions below... --b. 2008/10/16 Marc Van Coillie Hi Brett and Snorri, In order to prepare next week meeting, I need some short information regarding your organisations internal process for profiling and submiting new proposals that could (should :-)) be produce in this group. I think having Joni provide you with our Document Policy and SIG Policy, along with her overview and recommendations on practical next steps, should provide you with all you need for the meeting. We could take the example of the Europass CV which is quite well defined now in terms of data structure and XML schema binding. http://www.eife-l.org/publications/standards/interop/europasscv/europassCV-H RXML-AP We have been working together for a long time to ensure harmonization between HR-XML and Liberty specifications so I would strongly agree that we take the EuropassCV-HRXML-AP as critical input to the process. Sampo as already prepare a draft proposal to publish it as an Liberty HR ID-SIS, this draft is actually hosted on Concordia website: http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0- 01.pdf (I will move it soon to this SIG, we will have to update it to take into account last modifications on the HR-XML profile coming from the Universal CV project) It will be pretty straight forward for Sampo to submit this into TEG for formal review and standardization. What it is the internal process Brett in Liberty to submit it for publication/review by the TEG ? How much time will it take ? We are facing the issue in this SIG that both the Cedefop Europass CV model will be updated soon as well as the HR-XML specs, so a revision of the actual profile will be then needed... We have to take the decision of publishing quickly the actual profile to increase its usage or directly working on a new profile (so all your information could help to take during the vote that I expect could take place next week). The process that Joni will cover with you in more detail is very streamlined for a recognized standards-setting organization. This is not a time consuming process and I expect the revisions will not take a lot of effort, but I should let Sampo speak to that since he's the editor of the profile. Snorri is there the same kind of process for profile we want to use in addition to OpenID Attribute Exchange Specs ? http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html Snorri, are you familiar with the open source work going on in OpenLiberty.org and the Higgins Project related to bootstrapping an OpenID authentication into an ID-WSF attribute exchange? Asa Hardcastle demonstrated this using all open source code at the most recent IIW. I think this is a potential way of including OpenID authentications in the HR EDU deployment scenario without incurring all the additional overhead of re-creating the data structures already created in HR-XML and ID-SIS-HR-XML. Is this a reasonable path forward? Are there specific requirements/template we have to use ? (for example to use it with Liberty Web Service Framework there is some additional information in Sampo's document related to namespace available request in Soap/Wsdl, XPath expressions...) While digging more on this it seems that this is managed by the AXSchema.org community (http://www.axschema.org/), is it right ? If yes as they are not using XML schema and recreating common base type/attributes (i.e. address) which are already very well define in the HR-XML specs this may impose us to recreate all the HR-XML types/structure used in Europass CV using the AXSchema 'way of life' ? (I guess this should be the same with Microsoft Infocard, I will look at it)... This is not impossible and is not a so long work but this will lead to a new Europass CV structure specific to OpenID that we have to maintain with more work needed to build a bridge for CV data exchange between LA and OpenID services. See above for an alternative approach that brings the two protocol families closer together than this re-creation approach would. Brett is this last point already studied in other community such as the Concordia project or other Liberty SIG ? Given what I've outlined above, I think the answer is clearly "yes". Moreover, I think this is work that we could engage Concordia & OSIS on as use-cases to demonstrate at the next big public interoperability event they are co-producing at the RSA Security Conference next year. Best regards, Marc _______________________________________________ Sig-hr-edu mailing list Sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectlib erty.org -- Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 -- Joni Brennan IEEE-ISTO Liberty Alliance Project Operations Manager voice:+1 732-226-4223 email: joni @ projectliberty.org email: joni @ ieee-isto.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081017/4aab2002/attachment-0001.html From brett at projectliberty.org Fri Oct 17 11:11:18 2008 From: brett at projectliberty.org (Brett McDowell) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:11:18 -0400 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? In-Reply-To: <009d01c93079$e7da4fb0$b78eef10$@eu> References: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> <7FEAC9AFE026459490C5C21AF162F6CA@MarcDell> <3D357800-CA6A-4858-B921-4ABBC2E81B62@projectliberty.org> <55D6DBC7482D4560AE0DA1566DAF71EA@MarcDell> <947ea3330810170929p68fe7246u8781a29fa4890a81@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c93079$e7da4fb0$b78eef10$@eu> Message-ID: <54A3350D-9719-48C0-BD67-5731775EF047@projectliberty.org> If you think it would be appropriate to cross-post to that mailing list, feel free to do so in your reply to this message. || Brett McDowell | Calendar | Blog | Profile | +1.413.652.1248 On Oct 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Snorri wrote: > Welcome Asa! :) > > Brett, if you want you also can use the European Mailing List: http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/eu > > Thanks > > -Snorri > > De : jonibrennan at gmail.com [mailto:jonibrennan at gmail.com] De la part > de Joni Brennan > Envoy? : vendredi 17 octobre 2008 18:30 > ? : Brett McDowell > Cc : Marc Van Coillie; Asa Hardcastle; Britta Glade; Snorri; sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org > Objet : Re: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile > publication ? > > Hi All, > > Asa is now subscribed to this list. > > Thanks > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Brett McDowell > wrote: > Let me introduce the group to Asa Hardcastle of Zenn New Media (also > a founder of OpenLiberty.org) since Asa has done this sort of thing > before, using all open source libraries (some that he wrote himself). > > Asa, please review this thread for context. You can get even more > context by talking with Sampo. In short, this is a large-scale > deployment opportunity which seems to be in need of an OpenID > bootstrap into ID-WSF to support Sampo's new ID-SIS-HR-XML spec. > > Pierre & Marc, even though it's true that these personal attribute > services consumers/providers would have to support ID-WSF in > addition to OpenID, the good news is that all of this stuff is > currently available in open source and has been demonstrated to > interoperate already (at least on the consumer side, not sure about > the provider side ID-WSF libraries). > > P.S. > Joni, would you subscribe Asa to this list? > > || Brett McDowell | Calendar | Blog | Profile | +1.413.652.1248 > > On Oct 17, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Marc Van Coillie wrote: > > > Hi Brett, > many thanks for your input, I'm agree with you the "bootstraping" > proposal sounds an efficient way to go in a first step in order to > support HR-XML CV exchange using OpenID authentication without > recreating all the data structure. > But in this scenario all OpenID personal attribute consummer or > provider services have to support the ID-WSF in addition to OpenID. > > Pierre could you ask Damien to check if it will be possible to tune/ > adapt the Larpe Identity Proxy module used in CV Universel so that > it could be used with also with OpenID authentication in addition to > SAML 2 ? This may solve a part of the issue for all attribute > consummer services. > > > Best regards, > Marc > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brett McDowell > To: Britta Glade > Cc: Marc Van Coillie ; Joni Brennan ; Snorri ; sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile > publication ? > > > On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Britta Glade wrote: > > > Marc-- > copying this to Joni, who manages all processes for Liberty (among > many other things!). I know Brett's heads down on several projects, > and wanted to be sure you got a speedy answer. Joni can help there. > Thanks. > > Agreed. Joni can work with you on the process for taking the > Concordia document and getting that submitted into TEG (I would > expect this would be done by Sampo as a Symlabs contribution). > > That said, I wanted to address a few of your questions below... > > > --b. > 2008/10/16 Marc Van Coillie > Hi Brett and Snorri, > In order to prepare next week meeting, I need some short information > regarding your organisations internal process for profiling and > submiting new proposals that could (should :-)) be produce in this > group. > > I think having Joni provide you with our Document Policy and SIG > Policy, along with her overview and recommendations on practical > next steps, should provide you with all you need for the meeting. > > > > We could take the example of the Europass CV which is quite well > defined now in terms of data structure and XML schema binding. > http://www.eife-l.org/publications/standards/interop/europasscv/europassCV-HRXML-AP > > > We have been working together for a long time to ensure > harmonization between HR-XML and Liberty specifications so I would > strongly agree that we take the EuropassCV-HRXML-AP as critical > input to the process. > > > Sampo as already prepare a draft proposal to publish it as an > Liberty HR ID-SIS, this draft is actually hosted on Concordia website: > http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf > (I will move it soon to this SIG, we will have to update it to take > into account last modifications on the HR-XML profile coming from > the Universal CV project) > > It will be pretty straight forward for Sampo to submit this into TEG > for formal review and standardization. > > > > What it is the internal process Brett in Liberty to submit it for > publication/review by the TEG ? > How much time will it take ? > We are facing the issue in this SIG that both the Cedefop Europass > CV model will be updated soon as well as the HR-XML specs, so a > revision of the actual profile will be then needed... We have to > take the decision of publishing quickly the actual profile to > increase its usage or directly working on a new profile (so all your > information could help to take during the vote that I expect could > take place next week). > > The process that Joni will cover with you in more detail is very > streamlined for a recognized standards-setting organization. This > is not a time consuming process and I expect the revisions will not > take a lot of effort, but I should let Sampo speak to that since > he's the editor of the profile. > > > > Snorri is there the same kind of process for profile we want to use > in addition to OpenID Attribute Exchange Specs ? > http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html > > Snorri, are you familiar with the open source work going on in > OpenLiberty.org and the Higgins Project related to bootstrapping an > OpenID authentication into an ID-WSF attribute exchange? Asa > Hardcastle demonstrated this using all open source code at the most > recent IIW. I think this is a potential way of including OpenID > authentications in the HR EDU deployment scenario without incurring > all the additional overhead of re-creating the data structures > already created in HR-XML and ID-SIS-HR-XML. Is this a reasonable > path forward? > > > > Are there specific requirements/template we have to use ? > (for example to use it with Liberty Web Service Framework there is > some additional information in Sampo's document related to namespace > available request in Soap/Wsdl, XPath expressions...) > > While digging more on this it seems that this is managed by the > AXSchema.org community (http://www.axschema.org/), is it right ? > If yes as they are not using XML schema and recreating common base > type/attributes (i.e. address) which are already very well define in > the HR-XML specs this may impose us to recreate all the HR-XML types/ > structure used in Europass CV using the AXSchema 'way of life' ? (I > guess this should be the same with Microsoft Infocard, I will look > at it)... > This is not impossible and is not a so long work but this will lead > to a new Europass CV structure specific to OpenID that we have to > maintain with more work needed to build a bridge for CV data > exchange between LA and OpenID services. > > See above for an alternative approach that brings the two protocol > families closer together than this re-creation approach would. > > > > Brett is this last point already studied in other community such as > the Concordia project or other Liberty SIG ? > > Given what I've outlined above, I think the answer is clearly > "yes". Moreover, I think this is work that we could engage > Concordia & OSIS on as use-cases to demonstrate at the next big > public interoperability event they are co-producing at the RSA > Security Conference next year. > > > > Best regards, > Marc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-hr-edu mailing list > Sig-hr-edu at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org > > > > -- > Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 > > > > > > > -- > Joni Brennan > IEEE-ISTO > Liberty Alliance Project > Operations Manager > voice:+1 732-226-4223 > email: joni @ projectliberty.org > email: joni @ ieee-isto.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081017/84512aac/attachment-0001.html From asa.openliberty at zenn.net Thu Oct 23 09:10:45 2008 From: asa.openliberty at zenn.net (Asa Hardcastle) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:10:45 -0400 Subject: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ? In-Reply-To: <009d01c93079$e7da4fb0$b78eef10$@eu> References: <4499DED2201641BF92E5787ABE008186@MarcDell> <7FEAC9AFE026459490C5C21AF162F6CA@MarcDell> <3D357800-CA6A-4858-B921-4ABBC2E81B62@projectliberty.org> <55D6DBC7482D4560AE0DA1566DAF71EA@MarcDell> <947ea3330810170929p68fe7246u8781a29fa4890a81@mail.gmail.com> <009d01c93079$e7da4fb0$b78eef10$@eu> Message-ID: <8F9D2FEA-C5F7-44C9-9B3F-7E73398F4ABD@zenn.net> Hi Snorri & All, At the last IIW I did indeed demonstrate using OpenID attribute exchange to carry an ID-WSF 2.0 EPR in order to bootstrap ID-WSF enabled OpenID consumers into an ID-WSF environment. How can I help? talk soon, asa -- Asa Hardcastle, Technical Lead, openLiberty ID-WSF ClientLib Tel: +1.413.429.1044 Skype: subsystem7 On Oct 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Snorri wrote: > Welcome Asa! :) > > Brett, if you want you also can use the European Mailing List: http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/eu > > Thanks > > -Snorri > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-hr-edu_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20081023/56ee750f/attachment.html