From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Sun Aug 3 14:31:41 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:31:41 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] August SIG-WSH meeting idea and use case roundup: RSVP! In-Reply-To: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> Message-ID: Okay, rounding up the responses, it sounds like sometime between Aug 11-14 would be good, and a full day followed by a half day is equally as good as the other way around. That's less than two weeks away. I'll take a stab and propose something concrete: Wed Aug 13 9-6pm and Thu Aug 14 9am-noon Can we get critical mass for this? Please respond ASAP indicating whether this is okay. Let's confirm, refine, or deny by 5pm PT on Monday. I will plan to book a room in Sun's Bellevue office, unless I hear from someone else locally who wants to host. Goal: First cut at realistic use cases, among the three categories listed below (or some improvement on this list), that can guide future technical work on harmonization. I'm happy to facilitate if that suits y'all. Eve On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Eve Maler wrote: > A F2F meeting in the Seattle area, for, say, a day and a half, is a > great idea if we can get a critical mass of people who can make it. > I'm generally around in August. I can even probably offer a meeting > room in Bellevue WA (that's next to Redmond), though possibly not > lunch/break goodies -- would have to check. > > The only dates I *can't* be available are Aug 7-8 and Aug 20-22. > Would any of the following options work? I'm going on the theory that > east-coasters can usefully arrive mid-day here and take a red-eye home > if they like that sort of thing, but we can do 1.5 days in a different > config as necessary. > > Mon Aug 11 noon-6pm and Tue Aug 12 9-6pm > Tue Aug 12 noon-6pm and Wed Aug 13 9-6pm > Wed Aug 13 noon-6pm and Thu Aug 14 9-6pm > Thu Aug 14 noon-6pm and Fri Aug 15 9-6pm > Mon Aug 18 noon-6pm and Tue Aug 19 9-6pm > > The topics I've seen mentioned here fall into roughly three > categories: > > - Touchpoints directly between ID-WSF and the WS-Trust/Policy > framework (initially scoped by Conor): > http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/2008-June/000010.html > > - "Contextual" issues such as metadata and common claims (initially > scoped by Tony): > http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/2008-June/000011.html > > - "Heterogenous bootstrapping" between user-present and user-absent > systems (where the combination that hits on the largest number of > cylinders for us is probably InfoCard to ID-WSF), as touched on in > Andy's doc -- and also discussed in Concordia lately (see http://projectconcordia.org/index.php/Concordia_telecon_29_Jul_2008 > ) > > Remember that our goal in this SIG is to articulate deployment use > cases, so we need to do some prioritization among these and really dig > into realistic scenarios. I've put Andy's document and the above list > on this page for reference: > > http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/WSH_Discussion_Topics > > Thoughts on all this? We're supposed to move quickly, so let's see if > we can knock out some good use-case work in August... > > Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From donsch at windows.microsoft.com Mon Aug 4 17:26:27 2008 From: donsch at windows.microsoft.com (Don Schmidt) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:26:27 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] August SIG-WSH meeting idea and use case roundup: RSVP! In-Reply-To: References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> Message-ID: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Eve, Sorry for the delay, had to sort out some pending travel before I could respond. I can commit to a full day Aug 13th. If necessary I should be able to make a half day on the 14th also. I will check into the possibility of getting a conference room on campus. Is the head count more than 10? --des -----Original Message----- From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eve Maler Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:32 PM To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August SIG-WSH meeting idea and use case roundup: RSVP! Okay, rounding up the responses, it sounds like sometime between Aug 11-14 would be good, and a full day followed by a half day is equally as good as the other way around. That's less than two weeks away. I'll take a stab and propose something concrete: Wed Aug 13 9-6pm and Thu Aug 14 9am-noon Can we get critical mass for this? Please respond ASAP indicating whether this is okay. Let's confirm, refine, or deny by 5pm PT on Monday. I will plan to book a room in Sun's Bellevue office, unless I hear from someone else locally who wants to host. Goal: First cut at realistic use cases, among the three categories listed below (or some improvement on this list), that can guide future technical work on harmonization. I'm happy to facilitate if that suits y'all. Eve On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Eve Maler wrote: > A F2F meeting in the Seattle area, for, say, a day and a half, is a > great idea if we can get a critical mass of people who can make it. > I'm generally around in August. I can even probably offer a meeting > room in Bellevue WA (that's next to Redmond), though possibly not > lunch/break goodies -- would have to check. > > The only dates I *can't* be available are Aug 7-8 and Aug 20-22. > Would any of the following options work? I'm going on the theory that > east-coasters can usefully arrive mid-day here and take a red-eye home > if they like that sort of thing, but we can do 1.5 days in a different > config as necessary. > > Mon Aug 11 noon-6pm and Tue Aug 12 9-6pm > Tue Aug 12 noon-6pm and Wed Aug 13 9-6pm > Wed Aug 13 noon-6pm and Thu Aug 14 9-6pm > Thu Aug 14 noon-6pm and Fri Aug 15 9-6pm > Mon Aug 18 noon-6pm and Tue Aug 19 9-6pm > > The topics I've seen mentioned here fall into roughly three > categories: > > - Touchpoints directly between ID-WSF and the WS-Trust/Policy > framework (initially scoped by Conor): > http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/2008-June/000010.html > > - "Contextual" issues such as metadata and common claims (initially > scoped by Tony): > http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/2008-June/000011.html > > - "Heterogenous bootstrapping" between user-present and user-absent > systems (where the combination that hits on the largest number of > cylinders for us is probably InfoCard to ID-WSF), as touched on in > Andy's doc -- and also discussed in Concordia lately (see http://projectconcordia.org/index.php/Concordia_telecon_29_Jul_2008 > ) > > Remember that our goal in this SIG is to articulate deployment use > cases, so we need to do some prioritization among these and really dig > into realistic scenarios. I've put Andy's document and the above list > on this page for reference: > > http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/WSH_Discussion_Topics > > Thoughts on all this? We're supposed to move quickly, so let's see if > we can knock out some good use-case work in August... > > Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Mon Aug 4 17:31:10 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] August SIG-WSH meeting idea and use case roundup: RSVP! In-Reply-To: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> Wonderful! No, it will be less than or (unlikely) equal to 10. Thanks for looking into hosting; if you can't, I definitely will. Folks, we are officially on for the 13th and half of the 14th. If anyone hasn't RSVP'd yet, please do so. Eve On Aug 4, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Eve, > > Sorry for the delay, had to sort out some pending travel before I > could respond. > > I can commit to a full day Aug 13th. If necessary I should be able > to make a half day on the 14th also. > > I will check into the possibility of getting a conference room on > campus. Is the head count more than 10? > > --des > > -----Original Message----- > From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org > ] On Behalf Of Eve Maler > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:32 PM > To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August SIG-WSH meeting idea and use case > roundup: RSVP! > > Okay, rounding up the responses, it sounds like sometime between Aug > 11-14 would be good, and a full day followed by a half day is equally > as good as the other way around. That's less than two weeks away. > I'll take a stab and propose something concrete: > > Wed Aug 13 9-6pm and Thu Aug 14 9am-noon > > Can we get critical mass for this? Please respond ASAP indicating > whether this is okay. Let's confirm, refine, or deny by 5pm PT on > Monday. > > I will plan to book a room in Sun's Bellevue office, unless I hear > from someone else locally who wants to host. > > Goal: First cut at realistic use cases, among the three categories > listed below (or some improvement on this list), that can guide future > technical work on harmonization. I'm happy to facilitate if that > suits y'all. > > Eve > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Eve Maler wrote: > >> A F2F meeting in the Seattle area, for, say, a day and a half, is a >> great idea if we can get a critical mass of people who can make it. >> I'm generally around in August. I can even probably offer a meeting >> room in Bellevue WA (that's next to Redmond), though possibly not >> lunch/break goodies -- would have to check. >> >> The only dates I *can't* be available are Aug 7-8 and Aug 20-22. >> Would any of the following options work? I'm going on the theory >> that >> east-coasters can usefully arrive mid-day here and take a red-eye >> home >> if they like that sort of thing, but we can do 1.5 days in a >> different >> config as necessary. >> >> Mon Aug 11 noon-6pm and Tue Aug 12 9-6pm >> Tue Aug 12 noon-6pm and Wed Aug 13 9-6pm >> Wed Aug 13 noon-6pm and Thu Aug 14 9-6pm >> Thu Aug 14 noon-6pm and Fri Aug 15 9-6pm >> Mon Aug 18 noon-6pm and Tue Aug 19 9-6pm >> >> The topics I've seen mentioned here fall into roughly three >> categories: >> >> - Touchpoints directly between ID-WSF and the WS-Trust/Policy >> framework (initially scoped by Conor): >> http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/2008-June/000010.html >> >> - "Contextual" issues such as metadata and common claims (initially >> scoped by Tony): >> http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/2008-June/000011.html >> >> - "Heterogenous bootstrapping" between user-present and user-absent >> systems (where the combination that hits on the largest number of >> cylinders for us is probably InfoCard to ID-WSF), as touched on in >> Andy's doc -- and also discussed in Concordia lately (see http://projectconcordia.org/index.php/Concordia_telecon_29_Jul_2008 >> ) >> >> Remember that our goal in this SIG is to articulate deployment use >> cases, so we need to do some prioritization among these and really >> dig >> into realistic scenarios. I've put Andy's document and the above >> list >> on this page for reference: >> >> http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/WSH_Discussion_Topics >> >> Thoughts on all this? We're supposed to move quickly, so let's see >> if >> we can knock out some good use-case work in August... >> >> Eve > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Tue Aug 5 13:02:21 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:02:21 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! In-Reply-To: <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> (Changed the subject line in case anyone wasn't paying attention! RSVP if you haven't already. We have Conor (just the Wednesday), John, Don, and me so far. Regrets from Paul and George -- Ringo not heard from yet. :-) I've confirmed that I can "backup-host" in Bellevue, and provide Ethernet drops/cables and food (and a dial-in if people are interested) -- so Don, if you're successful in your own request for Redmond just let me know and I'll cancel. The Sea-Tac airport is appropriate for either location. If anyone needs hotel recommendations, let us know. Eve On Aug 4, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > Wonderful! No, it will be less than or (unlikely) equal to 10. > Thanks for looking into hosting; if you can't, I definitely will. > Folks, we are officially on for the 13th and half of the 14th. If > anyone hasn't RSVP'd yet, please do so. > > Eve > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > >> Eve, >> >> Sorry for the delay, had to sort out some pending travel before I >> could respond. >> >> I can commit to a full day Aug 13th. If necessary I should be able >> to make a half day on the 14th also. >> >> I will check into the possibility of getting a conference room on >> campus. Is the head count more than 10? >> >> --des >> Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From britta at projectliberty.org Tue Aug 5 13:07:52 2008 From: britta at projectliberty.org (Britta Glade) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:07:52 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! In-Reply-To: <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> Message-ID: I put this on the wiki, too--so please add yourself there so we can keep track of numbers, etc: http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/Interest_in_attending_the_first_Web_Services_Harmonization_SIG_meeting I'll add location when it's finalized. I'll also add John Bradley and Conor (already had Eve and Don on there). I have "placeholder" times in there that we can fix, too, when needed. Thx. --b. On 8/5/08, Eve Maler wrote: > > (Changed the subject line in case anyone wasn't paying attention! > RSVP if you haven't already. We have Conor (just the Wednesday), John, > Don, and me so far. Regrets from Paul and George -- Ringo not heard > from yet. :-) > > I've confirmed that I can "backup-host" in Bellevue, and provide > Ethernet drops/cables and food (and a dial-in if people are > interested) -- so Don, if you're successful in your own request for > Redmond just let me know and I'll cancel. The Sea-Tac airport is > appropriate for either location. If anyone needs hotel > recommendations, let us know. > > Eve > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > > > Wonderful! No, it will be less than or (unlikely) equal to 10. > > Thanks for looking into hosting; if you can't, I definitely will. > > Folks, we are officially on for the 13th and half of the 14th. If > > anyone hasn't RSVP'd yet, please do so. > > > > Eve > > > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > > > >> Eve, > >> > >> Sorry for the delay, had to sort out some pending travel before I > >> could respond. > >> > >> I can commit to a full day Aug 13th. If necessary I should be able > >> to make a half day on the 14th also. > >> > >> I will check into the possibility of getting a conference room on > >> campus. Is the head count more than 10? > >> > >> --des > >> > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > -- Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080805/976fd554/attachment.html From donsch at windows.microsoft.com Tue Aug 5 13:15:31 2008 From: donsch at windows.microsoft.com (Don Schmidt) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:15:31 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! In-Reply-To: <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> Message-ID: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their system before declaring victory. I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be "iffy." We are supposed to be able to offer guest wireless Internet access ... but some folks have had troubles getting it to work. Stay tuned --des -----Original Message----- From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eve Maler Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:02 PM To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! (Changed the subject line in case anyone wasn't paying attention! RSVP if you haven't already. We have Conor (just the Wednesday), John, Don, and me so far. Regrets from Paul and George -- Ringo not heard from yet. :-) I've confirmed that I can "backup-host" in Bellevue, and provide Ethernet drops/cables and food (and a dial-in if people are interested) -- so Don, if you're successful in your own request for Redmond just let me know and I'll cancel. The Sea-Tac airport is appropriate for either location. If anyone needs hotel recommendations, let us know. Eve On Aug 4, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > Wonderful! No, it will be less than or (unlikely) equal to 10. > Thanks for looking into hosting; if you can't, I definitely will. > Folks, we are officially on for the 13th and half of the 14th. If > anyone hasn't RSVP'd yet, please do so. > > Eve > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > >> Eve, >> >> Sorry for the delay, had to sort out some pending travel before I >> could respond. >> >> I can commit to a full day Aug 13th. If necessary I should be able >> to make a half day on the 14th also. >> >> I will check into the possibility of getting a conference room on >> campus. Is the head count more than 10? >> >> --des >> Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Thu Aug 7 22:08:44 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:08:44 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! In-Reply-To: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> Any update? Thanks! Eve On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their > system before declaring victory. > > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be > "iffy." We are supposed to be able to offer guest wireless Internet > access ... but some folks have had troubles getting it to work. > > Stay tuned --des Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From donsch at windows.microsoft.com Fri Aug 8 10:47:57 2008 From: donsch at windows.microsoft.com (Don Schmidt) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:47:57 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! In-Reply-To: <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> OK. All is good! Room I have room 4083 in building 40 on Redmond main campus reserved and confirmed: Wed (8/13) 9am - 6pm Thur (8/14) 9am - noon The room will hold 10 comfortably (12 if necessary), and has a big WB. 15563 NE 31st Street Redmond, WA 98052 Internet access There will be WiFi guest internet access available. Everyone who wants to use it should send me the following information by Monday morning so the receptionist can pre-register you. Full name Company Email address Lunch Our admin will order box lunches for Wed (8/13). Please send me your choice from the menu below by Monday morning. Looking forward to a great meeting. --des Don Schmidt Principal Program Manager Microsoft Corporation 425-703-2655 -----Original Message----- From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM [mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:09 PM To: Don Schmidt Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! Any update? Thanks! Eve On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their > system before declaring victory. > > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be > "iffy." 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In-Reply-To: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> Don - Would it be possible to provide a dial-in for the event? Thanks, Gerald Don Schmidt wrote: > OK. All is good! > > _Room_ > I have room 4083 in building 40 on Redmond main campus reserved and > confirmed: > Wed (8/13) 9am - 6pm > Thur (8/14) 9am - noon > > The room will hold 10 comfortably (12 if necessary), and has a big WB. > > 15563 NE 31^st Street > Redmond, WA 98052 > > _Internet access_ > There will be WiFi guest internet access available. Everyone who wants > to use it should send me the following information *by Monday** > **morning* so the receptionist can pre-register you. > Full name > Company > Email address > > _Lunch_ > Our admin will order box lunches for Wed (8/13). Please send me your > choice from the menu below *by Monday morning*. > > > > > Looking forward to a great meeting. > > --des > > Don Schmidt > Principal Program Manager > Microsoft Corporation > 425-703-2655 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM [mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM] > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:09 PM > To: Don Schmidt > Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! > > Any update? Thanks! > > Eve > > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > > > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to > > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their > > system before declaring victory. > > > > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be > > "iffy." 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In-Reply-To: <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> Message-ID: I've updated this on the wiki (PLEASE add yourself if you are attending so Don can keep track!). Gerald, dial-in wise we do have a number set up for the SIG: US toll-free number: 866-469-3239 US toll number: 650-429-3300 Meeting Number or Access Code: 38006411# If someone at the meeting activates the call, the bridge is available. Thx. On 8/8/08, Gerald Beuchelt wrote: > > Don - > > Would it be possible to provide a dial-in for the event? > > Thanks, > > Gerald > > Don Schmidt wrote: > > OK. All is good! > > *Room* > I have room 4083 in building 40 on Redmond main campus reserved and > confirmed: > Wed (8/13) 9am - 6pm > Thur (8/14) 9am - noon > > The room will hold 10 comfortably (12 if necessary), and has a big WB. > > 15563 NE 31st Street > Redmond, WA 98052 > > *Internet access* > There will be WiFi guest internet access available. Everyone who wants to > use it should send me the following information *by Monday** **morning* so > the receptionist can pre-register you. > Full name > Company > Email address > > *Lunch* > Our admin will order box lunches for Wed (8/13). Please send me your > choice from the menu below *by Monday morning*. > > > > > Looking forward to a great meeting. > > --des > > Don Schmidt > Principal Program Manager > Microsoft Corporation > 425-703-2655 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM [mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM ] > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:09 PM > To: Don Schmidt > Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! > > Any update? Thanks! > > Eve > > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > > > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to > > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their > > system before declaring victory. > > > > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be > > "iffy." We are supposed to be able to offer guest wireless Internet > > access ... but some folks have had troubles getting it to work. > > > > Stay tuned --des > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing listSig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.orghttp://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > > -- Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> Message-ID: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E59E6@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Probably. I get back to the list on this. From: Gerald.Beuchelt at sun.com [mailto:Gerald.Beuchelt at sun.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Beuchelt Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:52 AM To: Don Schmidt Cc: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM; sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! Don - Would it be possible to provide a dial-in for the event? Thanks, Gerald Don Schmidt wrote: OK. All is good! Room I have room 4083 in building 40 on Redmond main campus reserved and confirmed: Wed (8/13) 9am - 6pm Thur (8/14) 9am - noon The room will hold 10 comfortably (12 if necessary), and has a big WB. 15563 NE 31st Street Redmond, WA 98052 Internet access There will be WiFi guest internet access available. Everyone who wants to use it should send me the following information by Monday morning so the receptionist can pre-register you. Full name Company Email address Lunch Our admin will order box lunches for Wed (8/13). Please send me your choice from the menu below by Monday morning. [cid:3e0564df-8056-4149-844f-b272fd80383e] [cid:5475c019-3b44-4f98-a594-43d269d77901] [cid:77d38e10-271e-4654-8a6c-71a58cd3bc41] Looking forward to a great meeting. --des Don Schmidt Principal Program Manager Microsoft Corporation 425-703-2655 -----Original Message----- From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM [mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:09 PM To: Don Schmidt Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! Any update? Thanks! Eve On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their > system before declaring victory. > > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be > "iffy." We are supposed to be able to offer guest wireless Internet > access ... but some folks have had troubles getting it to work. > > Stay tuned --des Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. ________________________________ [cid:image001.jpg at 01C8F957.51CDC550] ________________________________ [cid:image002.jpg at 01C8F957.51CDC550] ________________________________ [cid:image003.jpg at 01C8F957.51CDC550] ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080808/bebeeb06/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E59E6@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E59E6@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: Don-- Thanks a ton for setting all this up! I'll snag the host code to use with the SIG-dedicated bridge, if we're able to get some kind of speakerphone. I believe on-site attendees (at least on the Wednesday) include you, me, Conor Cahill, Drummond Reed, and John Bradley. People who have expressed interest (so far) in the phone option include Gerry Beuchelt, Brett McDowell, and George Fletcher. For wifi access, I'm "Eve Maler, Sun Microsystems, eve.maler at sun.com". For lunch, I'm "Asian Chicken Salad". :) Eve On Aug 8, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Probably. I get back to the list on this. > > From: Gerald.Beuchelt at sun.com [mailto:Gerald.Beuchelt at sun.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Beuchelt > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:52 AM > To: Don Schmidt > Cc: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM; sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! > > Don - > > Would it be possible to provide a dial-in for the event? > > Thanks, > > Gerald > > Don Schmidt wrote: > OK. All is good! > > Room > I have room 4083 in building 40 on Redmond main campus reserved and > confirmed: > Wed (8/13) 9am - 6pm > Thur (8/14) 9am - noon > > The room will hold 10 comfortably (12 if necessary), and has a big WB. > > 15563 NE 31st Street > Redmond, WA 98052 > > Internet access > There will be WiFi guest internet access available. Everyone who > wants to use it should send me the following information by Monday > morningso the receptionist can pre-register you. > Full name > Company > Email address > > Lunch > Our admin will order box lunches for Wed (8/13). Please send me > your choice from the menu below by Monday morning. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to a great meeting. > > --des > > Don Schmidt > Principal Program Manager > Microsoft Corporation > 425-703-2655 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM [mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM] > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:09 PM > To: Don Schmidt > Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! > > Any update? Thanks! > > Eve > > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > > > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to > > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their > > system before declaring victory. > > > > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be > > "iffy." We are supposed to be able to offer guest wireless Internet > > access ... but some folks have had troubles getting it to work. > > > > Stay tuned --des > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080808/9b8ac77f/attachment-0001.html From beuchelt at sun.com Fri Aug 8 13:35:05 2008 From: beuchelt at sun.com (Gerald Beuchelt) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:35:05 -0400 Subject: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! In-Reply-To: References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> Message-ID: <489CADF9.3060405@sun.com> Thank you Britta & Don. Britta Glade wrote: > I've updated this on the wiki (PLEASE add yourself if you are > attending so Don can keep track!). > > Gerald, dial-in wise we do have a number set up for the SIG: > US toll-free number: 866-469-3239 > US toll number: 650-429-3300 > Meeting Number or Access Code: 38006411# > > If someone at the meeting activates the call, the bridge is available. > Thx. > > > On 8/8/08, *Gerald Beuchelt* > wrote: > > Don - > > Would it be possible to provide a dial-in for the event? > > Thanks, > > Gerald > > Don Schmidt wrote: >> OK. All is good! >> >> _Room_ >> I have room 4083 in building 40 on Redmond main campus reserved >> and confirmed: >> Wed (8/13) 9am - 6pm >> Thur (8/14) 9am - noon >> >> The room will hold 10 comfortably (12 if necessary), and has a >> big WB. >> >> 15563 NE 31^st Street >> Redmond, WA 98052 >> >> _Internet access_ >> There will be WiFi guest internet access available. Everyone who >> wants to use it should send me the following information *by >> Monday** **morning* so the receptionist can pre-register you. >> Full name >> Company >> Email address >> >> _Lunch_ >> Our admin will order box lunches for Wed (8/13). Please send me >> your choice from the menu below *by Monday morning*. >> >> >> >> >> Looking forward to a great meeting. >> >> --des >> >> Don Schmidt >> Principal Program Manager >> Microsoft Corporation >> 425-703-2655 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM >> [mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM] >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:09 PM >> To: Don Schmidt >> Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org >> >> Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! >> >> Any update? Thanks! >> >> Eve >> >> On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: >> >> > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to >> > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their >> > system before declaring victory. >> > >> > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be >> > "iffy." We are supposed to be able to offer guest wireless Internet >> > access ... but some folks have had troubles getting it to work. >> > >> > Stay tuned --des >> >> Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 >> Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com >> >> Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sig-wsh mailing list >> Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org >> http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > > > > > -- > Britta Glade > Liberty Alliance > 925-254-4233 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> Message-ID: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E5A6F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Thx Britta, The room has a speaker phone. I can setup the call. Do I need a different access code to initiate the bridge? --des From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Britta Glade Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:22 PM To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! I've updated this on the wiki (PLEASE add yourself if you are attending so Don can keep track!). Gerald, dial-in wise we do have a number set up for the SIG: US toll-free number: 866-469-3239 US toll number: 650-429-3300 Meeting Number or Access Code: 38006411# If someone at the meeting activates the call, the bridge is available. Thx. On 8/8/08, Gerald Beuchelt > wrote: Don - Would it be possible to provide a dial-in for the event? Thanks, Gerald Don Schmidt wrote: OK. All is good! Room I have room 4083 in building 40 on Redmond main campus reserved and confirmed: Wed (8/13) 9am - 6pm Thur (8/14) 9am - noon The room will hold 10 comfortably (12 if necessary), and has a big WB. 15563 NE 31st Street Redmond, WA 98052 Internet access There will be WiFi guest internet access available. Everyone who wants to use it should send me the following information by Monday morning so the receptionist can pre-register you. Full name Company Email address Lunch Our admin will order box lunches for Wed (8/13). Please send me your choice from the menu below by Monday morning. Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Error! Filename not specified. Looking forward to a great meeting. --des Don Schmidt Principal Program Manager Microsoft Corporation 425-703-2655 -----Original Message----- From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM [mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:09 PM To: Don Schmidt Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! Any update? Thanks! Eve On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their > system before declaring victory. > > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be > "iffy." We are supposed to be able to offer guest wireless Internet > access ... but some folks have had troubles getting it to work. > > Stay tuned --des Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. ________________________________ [cid:image001.jpg at 01C8F964.D7BEA320] ________________________________ [cid:image002.jpg at 01C8F964.D7BEA320] ________________________________ [cid:image003.jpg at 01C8F964.D7BEA320] ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -- Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E5A6F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E5A6F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: Eve has the access code--so we should be set! I'll make that update on the wiki. Thx. On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Thx Britta, > > > > The room has a speaker phone. I can setup the call. Do I need a different > access code to initiate the bridge? > > > > --des > > > > *From:* sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto: > sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] *On Behalf Of *Britta Glade > *Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2008 12:22 PM > *To:* sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > *Subject:* Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! > > > > I've updated this on the wiki (PLEASE add yourself if you are attending so > Don can keep track!). > > > > Gerald, dial-in wise we do have a number set up for the SIG: > > US toll-free number: 866-469-3239 > US toll number: 650-429-3300 > Meeting Number or Access Code: 38006411# > > > > If someone at the meeting activates the call, the bridge is available. Thx. > > > > On 8/8/08, *Gerald Beuchelt* wrote: > > Don - > > Would it be possible to provide a dial-in for the event? > > Thanks, > > Gerald > > Don Schmidt wrote: > > OK. All is good! > > > > *Room* > > I have room 4083 in building 40 on Redmond main campus reserved and > confirmed: > > Wed (8/13) 9am - 6pm > > Thur (8/14) 9am - noon > > > > The room will hold 10 comfortably (12 if necessary), and has a big WB. > > > > 15563 NE 31st Street > > Redmond, WA 98052 > > > > *Internet access* > > There will be WiFi guest internet access available. Everyone who wants to > use it should send me the following information *by Monday morning* so the > receptionist can pre-register you. > > Full name > > Company > > Email address > > > > *Lunch* > > Our admin will order box lunches for Wed (8/13). Please send me your > choice from the menu below *by Monday morning*. > > > > *Error! Filename not specified.* > > *Error! Filename not specified.* > > > > *Error! Filename not specified.* > > > > > > Looking forward to a great meeting. > > > > --des > > > > Don Schmidt > > Principal Program Manager > > Microsoft Corporation > > 425-703-2655 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM [mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM ] > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:09 PM > To: Don Schmidt > Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! > > > > Any update? Thanks! > > > > Eve > > > > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > > > > > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to > > > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their > > > system before declaring victory. > > > > > > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be > > > "iffy." We are supposed to be able to offer guest wireless Internet > > > access ... but some folks have had troubles getting it to work. > > > > > > Stay tuned --des > > > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sig-wsh mailing list > > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > > > > > -- > Britta Glade > Liberty Alliance > 925-254-4233 > -- Britta Glade Liberty Alliance 925-254-4233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Understand and define general "use case buckets" in order to get a global view, informed by real-world input I have proposed three so far; quoting from my original roundup email: ==== - Touchpoints directly between ID-WSF and the WS-Trust/Policy framework (initially scoped by Conor): http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/2008-June/000010.html - "Contextual" issues such as metadata and common claims (initially scoped by Tony): http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/2008-June/000011.html - "Heterogenous bootstrapping" between user-present and user-absent systems (where the combination that hits on the largest number of cylinders for us is probably InfoCard to ID-WSF), as touched on in Andy's doc -- and also discussed in Concordia lately (see http://projectconcordia.org/index.php/Concordia_telecon_29_Jul_2008 ) ==== 4. Prioritize specific use cases I see no reason *not* to get this far in the time we have! 5. Brainstorm venues to do any necessary further spec'ing This one is a bit more challenging, but we can try... Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From conor.p.cahill at intel.com Mon Aug 11 12:48:50 2008 From: conor.p.cahill at intel.com (Cahill, Conor P) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:48:50 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> I think one thing we should do to try to move things along is to walk through one or two Liberty ID-WSF message flows on the white board and examine how WS-* would fit in. I can drive this if it seems of interest. Conor -----Original Message----- From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eve Maler Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:46 PM To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Cc: Michael C Beach; Drummond Reed Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week We have many juicy issues to discuss this week... We'll open the dial- in line at 9am both days. If I may, let me suggest an agenda. Let me know if you have comments: 1. SIG chair going forward 2. Collect any available real-world data on ways in which deployers want the technologies (WS-Trust-based and ID-WSF-based architectures) to work together 3. Understand and define general "use case buckets" in order to get a global view, informed by real-world input I have proposed three so far; quoting from my original roundup email: ==== - Touchpoints directly between ID-WSF and the WS-Trust/Policy framework (initially scoped by Conor): http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.o rg/2008-June/000010.html - "Contextual" issues such as metadata and common claims (initially scoped by Tony): http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.o rg/2008-June/000011.html - "Heterogenous bootstrapping" between user-present and user-absent systems (where the combination that hits on the largest number of cylinders for us is probably InfoCard to ID-WSF), as touched on in Andy's doc -- and also discussed in Concordia lately (see http://projectconcordia.org/index.php/Concordia_telecon_29_Jul_2008 ) ==== 4. Prioritize specific use cases I see no reason *not* to get this far in the time we have! 5. Brainstorm venues to do any necessary further spec'ing This one is a bit more challenging, but we can try... Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectli berty.org From asa.openliberty at zenn.net Mon Aug 11 14:20:44 2008 From: asa.openliberty at zenn.net (Asa Hardcastle) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:20:44 -0400 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week In-Reply-To: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: I would love to see this discussion. Any chance of video taping? asa -- Asa Hardcastle, Technical Lead, openLiberty ID-WSF ClientLib Tel: +1.413.429.1044 Skype: subsystem7 On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Cahill, Conor P wrote: > I think one thing we should do to try to move things along is to walk > through one or two Liberty ID-WSF message flows on the white board and > examine how WS-* would fit in. I can drive this if it seems of > interest. > > Conor > > -----Original Message----- > From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org > [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eve > Maler > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:46 PM > To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Cc: Michael C Beach; Drummond Reed > Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week > > We have many juicy issues to discuss this week... We'll open the > dial- > in line at 9am both days. > > If I may, let me suggest an agenda. Let me know if you have comments: > > > 1. SIG chair going forward > > 2. Collect any available real-world data on ways in which deployers > want the technologies (WS-Trust-based and ID-WSF-based architectures) > to work together > > 3. Understand and define general "use case buckets" in order to get a > global view, informed by real-world input > > I have proposed three so far; quoting from my original roundup email: > > ==== > - Touchpoints directly between ID-WSF and the WS-Trust/Policy > framework (initially scoped by Conor): > http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.o > rg/2008-June/000010.html > > - "Contextual" issues such as metadata and common claims (initially > scoped by Tony): > http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.o > rg/2008-June/000011.html > > - "Heterogenous bootstrapping" between user-present and user-absent > systems (where the combination that hits on the largest number of > cylinders for us is probably InfoCard to ID-WSF), as touched on in > Andy's doc -- and also discussed in Concordia lately (see > http://projectconcordia.org/index.php/Concordia_telecon_29_Jul_2008 > ) > ==== > > 4. Prioritize specific use cases > > I see no reason *not* to get this far in the time we have! > > 5. Brainstorm venues to do any necessary further spec'ing > > This one is a bit more challenging, but we can try... > > > Eve > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectli > berty.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Mon Aug 11 14:42:23 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:42:23 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week In-Reply-To: References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: I'll leave this up to Don to comment on, but at the very least, we can post interim digital pix on the wiki... Eve On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Asa Hardcastle wrote: > I would love to see this discussion. Any chance of video taping? > > asa > > -- > Asa Hardcastle, Technical Lead, openLiberty ID-WSF ClientLib > Tel: +1.413.429.1044 Skype: subsystem7 > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Cahill, Conor P wrote: > >> I think one thing we should do to try to move things along is to walk >> through one or two Liberty ID-WSF message flows on the white board >> and >> examine how WS-* would fit in. I can drive this if it seems of >> interest. >> >> Conor >> Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From asa.openliberty at zenn.net Mon Aug 11 14:44:05 2008 From: asa.openliberty at zenn.net (Asa Hardcastle) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:44:05 -0400 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week In-Reply-To: References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <3373285D-CE6B-44E4-BBC3-1D489AA60644@zenn.net> Would be highly appreciated. Having Conor's message flow diagrams being drawn and narrated would rock! asa -- Asa Hardcastle, Technical Lead, openLiberty ID-WSF ClientLib Tel: +1.413.429.1044 Skype: subsystem7 On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > I'll leave this up to Don to comment on, but at the very least, we > can post interim digital pix on the wiki... > > Eve > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Asa Hardcastle wrote: > >> I would love to see this discussion. Any chance of video taping? >> >> asa >> >> -- >> Asa Hardcastle, Technical Lead, openLiberty ID-WSF ClientLib >> Tel: +1.413.429.1044 Skype: subsystem7 >> >> On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Cahill, Conor P wrote: >> >>> I think one thing we should do to try to move things along is to >>> walk >>> through one or two Liberty ID-WSF message flows on the white board >>> and >>> examine how WS-* would fit in. I can drive this if it seems of >>> interest. >>> >>> Conor >>> > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > From donsch at windows.microsoft.com Mon Aug 11 16:48:00 2008 From: donsch at windows.microsoft.com (Don Schmidt) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:00 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week In-Reply-To: <3373285D-CE6B-44E4-BBC3-1D489AA60644@zenn.net> References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> <3373285D-CE6B-44E4-BBC3-1D489AA60644@zenn.net> Message-ID: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33446036@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Sorry Asa. All the rooms with cameras for video conferencing were booked. Getting someone from audio/visual in to tape the meetings is not possible with only a days notice. --des -----Original Message----- From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Asa Hardcastle Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:44 PM To: Eve Maler Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org; Michael C Beach; Drummond Reed Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week Would be highly appreciated. Having Conor's message flow diagrams being drawn and narrated would rock! asa -- Asa Hardcastle, Technical Lead, openLiberty ID-WSF ClientLib Tel: +1.413.429.1044 Skype: subsystem7 On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > I'll leave this up to Don to comment on, but at the very least, we > can post interim digital pix on the wiki... > > Eve > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Asa Hardcastle wrote: > >> I would love to see this discussion. Any chance of video taping? >> >> asa >> >> -- >> Asa Hardcastle, Technical Lead, openLiberty ID-WSF ClientLib >> Tel: +1.413.429.1044 Skype: subsystem7 >> >> On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Cahill, Conor P wrote: >> >>> I think one thing we should do to try to move things along is to >>> walk >>> through one or two Liberty ID-WSF message flows on the white board >>> and >>> examine how WS-* would fit in. I can drive this if it seems of >>> interest. >>> >>> Conor >>> > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Mon Aug 11 18:01:55 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:01:55 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week In-Reply-To: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33446036@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> <3373285D-CE6B-44E4-BBC3-1D489AA60644@zenn.net> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33446036@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <3C105C68-AC34-473D-ACC0-C5B46CB044CE@Sun.COM> Understood. We'll make do with cruder means... (Maybe WebEx or something?) I've had recent bad experiences typing notes directly into a wiki, but we can try to do that as well (with frequent saves :-). Eve On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Sorry Asa. All the rooms with cameras for video conferencing were > booked. Getting someone from audio/visual in to tape the meetings is > not possible with only a days notice. > > --des > > -----Original Message----- > From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org > ] On Behalf Of Asa Hardcastle > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:44 PM > To: Eve Maler > Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org; Michael C Beach; Drummond Reed > Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week > > Would be highly appreciated. Having Conor's message flow diagrams > being drawn and narrated would rock! > > asa Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From drsecure at us.ibm.com Mon Aug 11 18:27:20 2008 From: drsecure at us.ibm.com (Anthony Nadalin) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:27:20 -0500 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week In-Reply-To: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: I always knew you had a "open" vision of things Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122 From: "Cahill, Conor P" To: "Eve Maler" , Cc: Michael C Beach , Drummond Reed Date: 08/11/2008 04:00 PM Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week I think one thing we should do to try to move things along is to walk through one or two Liberty ID-WSF message flows on the white board and examine how WS-* would fit in. I can drive this if it seems of interest. Conor -----Original Message----- From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eve Maler Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:46 PM To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Cc: Michael C Beach; Drummond Reed Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week We have many juicy issues to discuss this week... We'll open the dial- in line at 9am both days. If I may, let me suggest an agenda. Let me know if you have comments: 1. SIG chair going forward 2. Collect any available real-world data on ways in which deployers want the technologies (WS-Trust-based and ID-WSF-based architectures) to work together 3. Understand and define general "use case buckets" in order to get a global view, informed by real-world input I have proposed three so far; quoting from my original roundup email: ==== - Touchpoints directly between ID-WSF and the WS-Trust/Policy framework (initially scoped by Conor): http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.o rg/2008-June/000010.html - "Contextual" issues such as metadata and common claims (initially scoped by Tony): http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.o rg/2008-June/000011.html - "Heterogenous bootstrapping" between user-present and user-absent systems (where the combination that hits on the largest number of cylinders for us is probably InfoCard to ID-WSF), as touched on in Andy's doc -- and also discussed in Concordia lately (see http://projectconcordia.org/index.php/Concordia_telecon_29_Jul_2008 ) ==== 4. Prioritize specific use cases I see no reason *not* to get this far in the time we have! 5. Brainstorm venues to do any necessary further spec'ing This one is a bit more challenging, but we can try... Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectli berty.org _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080811/23769b8d/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Conor From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure at us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:27 PM To: Cahill, Conor P Cc: Drummond Reed; Eve Maler; Michael C Beach; sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org; sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week I always knew you had a "open" vision of things Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122 "Cahill, Conor P" ---08/11/2008 04:00:58 PM---I think one thing we should do to try to move things along is to walk From: "Cahill, Conor P" To: "Eve Maler" , Cc: Michael C Beach , Drummond Reed Date: 08/11/2008 04:00 PM Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week ________________________________ I think one thing we should do to try to move things along is to walk through one or two Liberty ID-WSF message flows on the white board and examine how WS-* would fit in. I can drive this if it seems of interest. Conor -----Original Message----- From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eve Maler Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:46 PM To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Cc: Michael C Beach; Drummond Reed Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week We have many juicy issues to discuss this week... We'll open the dial- in line at 9am both days. If I may, let me suggest an agenda. Let me know if you have comments: 1. SIG chair going forward 2. Collect any available real-world data on ways in which deployers want the technologies (WS-Trust-based and ID-WSF-based architectures) to work together 3. Understand and define general "use case buckets" in order to get a global view, informed by real-world input I have proposed three so far; quoting from my original roundup email: ==== - Touchpoints directly between ID-WSF and the WS-Trust/Policy framework (initially scoped by Conor): http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.o rg/2008-June/000010.html - "Contextual" issues such as metadata and common claims (initially scoped by Tony): http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.o rg/2008-June/000011.html - "Heterogenous bootstrapping" between user-present and user-absent systems (where the combination that hits on the largest number of cylinders for us is probably InfoCard to ID-WSF), as touched on in Andy's doc -- and also discussed in Concordia lately (see http://projectconcordia.org/index.php/Concordia_telecon_29_Jul_2008 ) ==== 4. Prioritize specific use cases I see no reason *not* to get this far in the time we have! 5. Brainstorm venues to do any necessary further spec'ing This one is a bit more challenging, but we can try... Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectli berty.org _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectli berty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080812/faba52cb/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 166 bytes Desc: image003.png Url : http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080812/faba52cb/attachment-0001.png From gffletch at aol.com Tue Aug 12 07:07:50 2008 From: gffletch at aol.com (George Fletcher) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:07:50 -0400 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week In-Reply-To: <3C105C68-AC34-473D-ACC0-C5B46CB044CE@Sun.COM> References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> <3373285D-CE6B-44E4-BBC3-1D489AA60644@zenn.net> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33446036@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <3C105C68-AC34-473D-ACC0-C5B46CB044CE@Sun.COM> Message-ID: <48A19936.4030301@aol.com> Anybody attending with a mac that could be used for iChat? We've used that before internally for small meetings. Of course, the mac can't really be used for note-taking or anything like that and the wifi throughput might be a problem, but maybe worth trying. Thanks, George P.S. I'll be hit-and-miss on Wed due to other meetings, so I'll probably just dial in when I can. Eve Maler wrote: > Understood. We'll make do with cruder means... (Maybe WebEx or > something?) I've had recent bad experiences typing notes directly > into a wiki, but we can try to do that as well (with frequent saves :-). > > Eve > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > > >> Sorry Asa. All the rooms with cameras for video conferencing were >> booked. Getting someone from audio/visual in to tape the meetings is >> not possible with only a days notice. >> >> --des >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org >> ] On Behalf Of Asa Hardcastle >> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:44 PM >> To: Eve Maler >> Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org; Michael C Beach; Drummond Reed >> Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week >> >> Would be highly appreciated. Having Conor's message flow diagrams >> being drawn and narrated would rock! >> >> asa >> > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > > -- Chief Architect AIM: gffletch Identity Services Work: george.fletcher at corp.aol.com AOL LLC Home: gffletch at aol.com Mobile: +1-703-462-3494 Office: +1-703-265-2544 Blog: http://practicalid.blogspot.com From john.bradley at wingaa.com Tue Aug 12 07:41:01 2008 From: john.bradley at wingaa.com (John Bradley) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:41:01 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week In-Reply-To: <48A19936.4030301@aol.com> References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03C3A22E@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> <3373285D-CE6B-44E4-BBC3-1D489AA60644@zenn.net> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33446036@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <3C105C68-AC34-473D-ACC0-C5B46CB044CE@Sun.COM> <48A19936.4030301@aol.com> Message-ID: I will bring mine and we can give it a try. John Bradley On 12-Aug-08, at 7:07 AM, George Fletcher wrote: > Anybody attending with a mac that could be used for iChat? We've used > that before internally for small meetings. Of course, the mac can't > really be used for note-taking or anything like that and the wifi > throughput might be a problem, but maybe worth trying. > > Thanks, > George > > P.S. I'll be hit-and-miss on Wed due to other meetings, so I'll > probably > just dial in when I can. > > Eve Maler wrote: >> Understood. We'll make do with cruder means... (Maybe WebEx or >> something?) I've had recent bad experiences typing notes directly >> into a wiki, but we can try to do that as well (with frequent >> saves :-). >> >> Eve >> >> On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: >> >> >>> Sorry Asa. All the rooms with cameras for video conferencing were >>> booked. Getting someone from audio/visual in to tape the meetings is >>> not possible with only a days notice. >>> >>> --des >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org >>> ] On Behalf Of Asa Hardcastle >>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:44 PM >>> To: Eve Maler >>> Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org; Michael C Beach; Drummond Reed >>> Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Proposed agenda for F2F this week >>> >>> Would be highly appreciated. Having Conor's message flow diagrams >>> being drawn and narrated would rock! >>> >>> asa >>> >> >> Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 >> Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com >> Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sig-wsh mailing list >> Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org >> http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org >> >> > > -- > Chief Architect AIM: gffletch > Identity Services Work: george.fletcher at corp.aol.com > AOL LLC Home: gffletch at aol.com > Mobile: +1-703-462-3494 > Office: +1-703-265-2544 Blog: http:// > practicalid.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As most of you probably know by now, the WSFED TC is considering a proposal to revise the existing WS-Federation definition of federation metadata to take a normative dependency on the SAML 2.0 metadata document constructs. There is good support for this effort in both the SS and WSFED TCs. As Tony suggests we should extend this to ID-WSF to maximize the consistency of metadata across web applications and web services. --des From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Nadalin Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:31 AM To: Cahill, Conor P Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org; Eve Maler; sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Beginning to collect use cases It would also be nice if we could also 1. get agreement on service metadata between WS-Federation, SAML, ID-WSF as this would simplify deployments 2. see how we can get agreement on context (security, authorization, etc) 3. maybe some agreement on common claims, attributes Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122 [cid:image001.gif at 01C8FC60.C581FEB0]"Cahill, Conor P" ---06/25/2008 08:06:40 AM---Re the ID-WSF & WS-* harmonization, I wasn't aware that the scope was From: "Cahill, Conor P" To: "Paul Madsen" , "Brett McDowell" Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org, Eve Maler Date: 06/25/2008 08:06 AM Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Beginning to collect use cases ________________________________ Re the ID-WSF & WS-* harmonization, I wasn't aware that the scope was just to allow a WSC to obtain security tokens. I believe it is a broader scope of harmonizing the two specification sets. Tony through out some ideas (not that I agree with them all -- no surprise there :-)) and I think there are probably others. The kinds of tasks that I see on the map for that project include: * redefine AS in terms of WS-Trust * redefine SSOS in terms of WS-Trust * redefine IDPS in terms of WS-Trust * Change service metadata definition and EPR definitions to align with WS-Trust, WS-SecurityPolicy and WS-Policy * Examine ID-WSF SOAP Bindings to figure out how other changes need to get merged in. WS-Security and WS-A are already profiled. There's a couple of headers that we've defined that were not clearly supported in WS-* at the time (and my still not be). * Examine ID-WSF Security Mechanisms model the mechanisms in terms of WS-SecurityPolicy * Examine ID-WSF Discovery service and change to support the new service metadata and EPR definitions while also evaluating the functionality itself (I'm not convinced XRDS meets the needs as Tony appears to be cocnvinced of). * Examine other areas of ID-WSF to see what to do about the components that don't appear to have clear overlap -- notably the InteractionService and People Service as well as the SIS (though I think an argument could be made that the SIS specs are out of scope of this effort). As far as use cases, I think the standard operations that are supported by Liberty should be examined as well as any new cases or modifications to those cases that are of interest to the non-liberty players now at the table. My $.02 is that the best way for this stuff to proceed forward is to start with some F2F time so that wee can talk though things with a whiteboard. Trying to do this via email is a royal pain especially when we each bring our own experiences, preferences and interests to the table -- we could waste an awful lot of time sending emails past each other (especially if Tony's around :-)). Conor > -----Original Message----- > From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh- > bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Paul Madsen > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:01 PM > To: Brett McDowell > Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org; Eve Maler > Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Beginning to collect use cases > > the connection I see between the two (somewhat seemingly disconnected) > WSH focus areas is > > a) ID-WSF & WS-* harmonization implies profiling WS-Trust to allow a WSC > to obtain security tokens > b) the above (may) implies separating discovery from token issuance > c) separating discovery from token issuance introduces the possibility > of using different discovery mechanisms, like XRDS > d) some of Andy/John's scenarios (we need a better descriptor) touch on > the above application of XRDS > > paul > > Brett McDowell wrote: > > Thanks Eve for getting this thread started. > > > > Andy or John, are you on this email list (I think you are but consider > > this a test message to that fact)? Could you provide a little context > > around your use-case(s) and how you might expect ID-WSF and WS* > > harmonization to be relevant to supporting your use-case(s)? > > > > -- Brett > > > > On Jun 17, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, all. Looks like we've got a "wish sig"! (I'd been hoping for a > >> name like WS-Harmony but this is good too. :-) ) > >> > >> The plan, I believe, is to schedule a telecon for July to ensure we > >> an include various folks once they've returned from vacation. So > >> we've got some time now to get some thoughts on the table if we want > >> to. > >> > >> John Bradley has told me it's okay for me to send out the use case > >> document that Andy Dale put together a week or so ago, so I've > >> attached that below with his accompanying comments. It's always > >> valuable to have something to work off of! I think it's a great > >> start and is, in parts, quite thought-provoking. There's a category > >> of use cases not addressed here that we still need to tackle, which > >> has to do with straight-ahead managed services environments in which > >> both "plain" STS's and ID-WSF services play a big part. I'm hoping > >> to get the okay to send out some stuff that's been previously > >> written on this topic. Stay tuned. > >> > >> Eve > >> > >> ==== > >> Quoth Andy: > >> > >> "I always hate putting out the first document in this type of > >> collaboration as I have no idea what the expectations are and just > >> how far off mark I might be.... However, I do it anyway and that's > >> why we get things done. > >> > >> So if nothing else this doc should give us something to work against > >> and 'correct'. > >> > >> Once we have agreed upon our base set of UseCases I imagine a bunch > >> of 'templates' that get completed for each possible solution. The > >> template will include things like: > >> > >> - Actual user flow description based on this solution (infoCards vs > >> OP redirect, etc...) > >> - What technology each actor would have to deploy for this solution > >> and how many man days it 'might' take to do that. (including client > >> side requirements for end users) > >> - Privacy Profile - How much data is publicly available? Does the > >> user NEED a global ID? Is discovery leaking information? > >> - Complete Sequence diagram of interactions (including resolution > >> and discovery steps). > >> > >> If there is agreement that this is a good direction then I am happy > >> to work on the template and then to complete the template for the > >> pure 'i-names/OpenID' implementations as those are the ones I know > >> the best. > >> > >> PLEASE: if you have a better process/idea... let me know." > >> ==== > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > >> Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > >> Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sig-wsh mailing list > >> Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > >> http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig- > wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sig-wsh mailing list > > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig- > wsh_lists.projectliberty.org > > > > > > > > -- > Paul Madsen e:paulmadsen @ ntt-at.com > NTT p:613-482-0432 > m:613-282-8647 > aim:PaulMdsn5 > web:connectid.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig- > wsh_lists.projectliberty.org _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <167FFCA2-013B-4EB1-B675-91E0C4AB18D3@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B11623A0@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <0D68F905-C07D-4904-AF1F-9064D88E5091@Sun.COM> <030FA68A-B368-41B7-B612-D3CAB1A628DC@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B116271F@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <28405DF9-3E8B-4DBC-AFC5-F4CC9368C10E@Sun.COM> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E58D1@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <489C95CD.1000309@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB849808B12E59E6@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C334462F3@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Drummond, I never got confirmation whether you are coming in person tomorrow. Please let me know, since I might not be able to get a lunch order in any more. Thx --des From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eve Maler Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:31 PM To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! Don-- Thanks a ton for setting all this up! I'll snag the host code to use with the SIG-dedicated bridge, if we're able to get some kind of speakerphone. I believe on-site attendees (at least on the Wednesday) include you, me, Conor Cahill, Drummond Reed, and John Bradley. People who have expressed interest (so far) in the phone option include Gerry Beuchelt, Brett McDowell, and George Fletcher. For wifi access, I'm "Eve Maler, Sun Microsystems, eve.maler at sun.com". For lunch, I'm "Asian Chicken Salad". :) Eve On Aug 8, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: Probably. I get back to the list on this. From: Gerald.Beuchelt at sun.com [mailto:Gerald.Beuchelt at sun.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Beuchelt Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:52 AM To: Don Schmidt Cc: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM; sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! Don - Would it be possible to provide a dial-in for the event? Thanks, Gerald Don Schmidt wrote: OK. All is good! Room I have room 4083 in building 40 on Redmond main campus reserved and confirmed: Wed (8/13) 9am - 6pm Thur (8/14) 9am - noon The room will hold 10 comfortably (12 if necessary), and has a big WB. 15563 NE 31st Street Redmond, WA 98052 Internet access There will be WiFi guest internet access available. Everyone who wants to use it should send me the following information by Monday morningso the receptionist can pre-register you. Full name Company Email address Lunch Our admin will order box lunches for Wed (8/13). Please send me your choice from the menu below by Monday morning. Looking forward to a great meeting. --des Don Schmidt Principal Program Manager Microsoft Corporation 425-703-2655 -----Original Message----- From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM [mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:09 PM To: Don Schmidt Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] August 13-14 SIG-WSH meeting confirmed! Any update? Thanks! Eve On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Our admin was able to get a room for both days. However, I want to > confirm with the receptionists that they have it confirmed in their > system before declaring victory. > > I should be able to get box lunches for Wed. Internet access may be > "iffy." We are supposed to be able to offer guest wireless Internet > access ... but some folks have had troubles getting it to work. > > Stay tuned --des Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. ________________________________ ________________________________ ________________________________ ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080812/3621074b/attachment-0001.html From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Wed Aug 13 15:12:18 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:12:18 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted Message-ID: <5131410B-6D28-45E1-9FCD-DBE35BBEB99A@sun.com> I'm refreshing these notes every hour or so: http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/SIG-WSH_Aug_08_Redmond_F2F We have hung up the dial-in line because no one had been on it for a while. If you want us to open the line again, please IM Eve ("xmlgrrl" on AIM, Y!, GTalk, and Skype) or send an SMS to +1 425 345 6756. Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Wed Aug 13 18:05:00 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:05:00 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted In-Reply-To: <5131410B-6D28-45E1-9FCD-DBE35BBEB99A@sun.com> References: <5131410B-6D28-45E1-9FCD-DBE35BBEB99A@sun.com> Message-ID: <7BA8226D-D806-44A4-B8CD-0213FC8517AB@sun.com> We're not meeting tomorrow F2F after all, so the notes on the site now are "final" (other than corrections etc.) Please review ASAP! http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/Web_Services_Harmonization_SIG Thanks to Don, his admin Frank, and Microsoft for hosting the meeting. Eve On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > I'm refreshing these notes every hour or so: > > http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/SIG-WSH_Aug_08_Redmond_F2F > > We have hung up the dial-in line because no one had been on it for a > while. If you want us to open the line again, please IM Eve > ("xmlgrrl" on AIM, Y!, GTalk, and Skype) or send an SMS to +1 425 345 > 6756. > > Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Thu Aug 14 07:09:15 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:09:15 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted In-Reply-To: <7BA8226D-D806-44A4-B8CD-0213FC8517AB@sun.com> References: <5131410B-6D28-45E1-9FCD-DBE35BBEB99A@sun.com> <7BA8226D-D806-44A4-B8CD-0213FC8517AB@sun.com> Message-ID: <9484812B-4CB9-4EB9-8413-4F041B6FF307@sun.com> Okay, I'm an idiot. I thought I was overwriting the F2F page repeatedly, but ended up overwriting the main SIG page (repeatedly). I should learn my lesson, and not try to update wikis "live"... I think I've fixed both pages, but people should check to be sure. Eve On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:05 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > We're not meeting tomorrow F2F after all, so the notes on the site now > are "final" (other than corrections etc.) Please review ASAP! > > http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/ > Web_Services_Harmonization_SIG > > Thanks to Don, his admin Frank, and Microsoft for hosting the meeting. > > Eve > > > On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > >> I'm refreshing these notes every hour or so: >> >> http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/SIG-WSH_Aug_08_Redmond_F2F >> >> We have hung up the dial-in line because no one had been on it for a >> while. If you want us to open the line again, please IM Eve >> ("xmlgrrl" on AIM, Y!, GTalk, and Skype) or send an SMS to +1 425 345 >> 6756. >> >> Eve > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From paulmadsen at rogers.com Fri Aug 15 04:42:57 2008 From: paulmadsen at rogers.com (Paul Madsen) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted Message-ID: <191286.94461.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I support the chair acclamation and the description of goals and priorities as minuted One question what was the contezt for 'ID-WSF currently profiles only the SAML token. Do we need to go beyond this' paul -- Paul Madsen e:paulmadsen @ ntt-at.com NTT p:613-482-0432 m:613-302-1428 aim:PaulMdsn5 web:connectid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Eve Maler To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:05:00 PM Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted We're not meeting tomorrow F2F after all, so the notes on the site now are "final" (other than corrections etc.) Please review ASAP! http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/Web_Services_Harmonization_SIG Thanks to Don, his admin Frank, and Microsoft for hosting the meeting. Eve On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > I'm refreshing these notes every hour or so: > > http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/SIG-WSH_Aug_08_Redmond_F2F > > We have hung up the dial-in line because no one had been on it for a > while. If you want us to open the line again, please IM Eve > ("xmlgrrl" on AIM, Y!, GTalk, and Skype) or send an SMS to +1 425 345 > 6756. > > Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080815/8fe63ade/attachment.html From drsecure at us.ibm.com Fri Aug 15 05:08:23 2008 From: drsecure at us.ibm.com (Anthony Nadalin) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:08:23 -0500 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted In-Reply-To: <191286.94461.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <191286.94461.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How about the Tony Token ? Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122 From: Paul Madsen To: Eve Maler , sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Date: 08/15/2008 06:46 AM Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted I support the chair acclamation and the description of goals and priorities as minuted One question what was the contezt for 'ID-WSF currently profiles only the SAML token. Do we need to go beyond this' paul -- Paul Madsen e:paulmadsen @ ntt-at.com NTT p:613-482-0432 m:613-302-1428 aim:PaulMdsn5 web:connectid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Eve Maler To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:05:00 PM Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted We're not meeting tomorrow F2F after all, so the notes on the site now are "final" (other than corrections etc.) Please review ASAP! http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/Web_Services_Harmonization_SIG Thanks to Don, his admin Frank, and Microsoft for hosting the meeting. Eve On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > I'm refreshing these notes every hour or so: > > http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/SIG-WSH_Aug_08_Redmond_F2F > > We have hung up the dial-in line because no one had been on it for a > while. If you want us to open the line again, please IM Eve > ("xmlgrrl" on AIM, Y!, GTalk, and Skype) or send an SMS to +1 425 345 > 6756. > > Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080815/09c3e37f/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do you want me to send them to you? Or should I edit the wiki directly? -----Original Message----- From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eve Maler Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:09 AM To: Eve Maler Cc: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted Okay, I'm an idiot. I thought I was overwriting the F2F page repeatedly, but ended up overwriting the main SIG page (repeatedly). I should learn my lesson, and not try to update wikis "live"... I think I've fixed both pages, but people should check to be sure. Eve On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:05 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > We're not meeting tomorrow F2F after all, so the notes on the site now > are "final" (other than corrections etc.) Please review ASAP! > > http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/ > Web_Services_Harmonization_SIG > > Thanks to Don, his admin Frank, and Microsoft for hosting the meeting. > > Eve > > > On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > >> I'm refreshing these notes every hour or so: >> >> http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/SIG-WSH_Aug_08_Redmond_F2F >> >> We have hung up the dial-in line because no one had been on it for a >> while. If you want us to open the line again, please IM Eve >> ("xmlgrrl" on AIM, Y!, GTalk, and Skype) or send an SMS to +1 425 345 >> 6756. >> >> Eve > > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 > Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com > Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Mon Aug 18 09:09:25 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:09:25 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted In-Reply-To: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33961938@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <5131410B-6D28-45E1-9FCD-DBE35BBEB99A@sun.com> <7BA8226D-D806-44A4-B8CD-0213FC8517AB@sun.com> <9484812B-4CB9-4EB9-8413-4F041B6FF307@sun.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33961938@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <64AD0E60-57FB-4665-8C13-A0BC5AFF10C8@Sun.COM> :) Thanks. Want to float them here (unless they're truly minor/ editorial) and then go ahead and edit the wiki directly? Eve On Aug 15, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > Yet again I am amazed at Eve's ability to capture -- and then > semantically reorder for improved comprehension -- the minutes of > such a detailed and roving conversation ... especially while she is > also an active participant! > > Eve, I have some minor edits. Do you want me to send them to you? > Or should I edit the wiki directly? Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From Jeff.Hodges at KingsMountain.com Mon Aug 18 10:10:42 2008 From: Jeff.Hodges at KingsMountain.com (' =JeffH ') Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:10:42 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] fyi: Minutes: SIG-WSH Aug 08 Redmond F2F Message-ID: <20080818171042.DCAE039EAE1@kingsmountain.com> Below, fyi/fwiw because I think it's useful to have meeting minutes available "on the list" for discussion/reference, are the Final F2F notes as updated last by Conor, and presently the most-recent rev displayed on the web page... SIG-WSH Aug 08 Redmond F2F http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/SIG-WSH_Aug_08_Redmond_F2F [rev of 16:26, 14 August 2008 Cpcahil (Talk | contribs) (->ID-WSF services that issue tokens)] I've added some blank lines to improve readability, otherwise this is a straightforward copy'n'paste from the wiki page. =JeffH ------ SIG-WSH Aug 08 Redmond F2F * 1 Attending * 2 Action items * 3 Agenda-bashing * 4 Goals * 5 Timelines and venues o 5.1 Terminology alignment * 6 Drill-down o 6.1 Services cooperating on behalf of one or more humans o 6.2 Discovery of identity-producing services o 6.3 ID-SIS services and the Data Services Template o 6.4 Mapping common claims and roles o 6.5 ID-WSF services that issue tokens * 7 Summary of areas to explore o 7.1 Higher-priority areas o 7.2 Lower-priority * 8 Next steps [edit] Attending * F2F: Don Schmidt, Eve Maler, Conor Cahill, John Bradley, Drummond Reed * Phone (sometimes): Brett McDowell, Paul Madsen, George Fletcher Thanks to Don, Frank V-P, and Microsoft for hosting this meeting! [edit] Action items Eve: Publish the terminology alignment discussion as a separate wiki page and point the IDtbd folks to it. Conor: Report by early next week on the timeframe in which he could take part in the next-steps work. [edit] Agenda-bashing Let's take up the chair question more towards the end. What's the best way to get us all to the same level of education? Maybe we can do the walk-through Conor suggested for ID-WSF, and analyze the differing assumptions between it and a WS-*-based framework. [edit] Goals What is our goal? Conor suggests that we'll have a "profile" of WS-* specs that gives ID-WSF users features they want. Don thinks we should focus first on finding out where we can combine, or mutually profile, features that both sides are already doing. Eve points to this diagram as a high-level comparison. There's general agreement that this is an acceptable high-level statement. ID-WSF profiles the pieces of WS-* that it already uses, but we can discuss that as we go. ID-WSF obviously doesn't use WS-Trust today; that's maybe the biggest obvious hole. Conor notes that ID-WSF adds interop to generic WS-* for achieving what it wants to achieve. He advocates a goal in SIG-WSH of profiling WS-* as much as we reasonably can, and ensuring that the optional parts of the (new) ID-WSF framework are made clear. Things like discovery are required to be defined for the framework to be complete, but any one deployment need not use them. Don has counter-examples that show that WS-* isn't just building blocks, and hears from deployers that ID-WSF has more than it needs -- it's too heavy and too specific. John reminds us that OAuth and XRDS are likely to be relevant as we look at use cases in our two worlds. It would be ideal if we could consider the underlying use cases motivating those technologies too. We all agree that no one is suggesting that either ID-WSF or WS-*, as a whole, needs to be removed as an option where they uniquely meet someone's needs -- and they each do meet some people's needs! We in the industry have unfortunately confused a lot of people by suggesting that these things actually overlap more than they do. We want to make the stacks much more complementary (let's not say "overlapping"!) by design, likely through a fair amount of profiling, and even possibly by recommending backwards-incompatible changes (hopefully to little-used parts of our protocol stacks) where they lead to the correct complementarity! The ultimate goal is that all of the web services stacks interoperate, and that we'll see (e.g.) WS-Trust implementations that are compatible and composable with the profiles that emerge from this process. [edit] Timelines and venues Conor says, and Don agrees, that if we could propose a set of profiling work to submit to OASIS or somewhere, that would be the big win. Eve proposes having such recommendations by the end of the year for sure. OASIS is sounding like a fine default choice for now (noting that WS-Trust, WS-Policy*, WS-Security, SAML2 from ID-FF, and even IMI have gone there), but that's still open. An existing TC? A new TC? We'll see; likely the latter. John points out that there's an OASIS TC in the works that will focus on IMI-followup work such as defining particular token transformations. Don reminds us that he has to go through an "OAIP" (owner/approver IP) process over whatever recommendations the SIG comes up with -- and most of us are pretty much in the same boat. [edit] Terminology alignment There are roughly three conceptual buckets for "identity-related" services: * Providers: These services hand out information that is indexed by identity, on (authorized) request. * Consumers: These services consume identity-related information (including claims that are about a non-unique identity) in order to provide differentiated service. * Infrastructure: These services assist in the process of handling identity-related information in various fashions. We figured out where we think claims-based service, identity-consuming service, identity-based service, identity-enabled service, and identity service go. Here's what we strongly recommend, with the new/controversial ones in bold. * Providers o IdP/IP (including identity selectors offering self-issued cards, cell phone-based IdPs, etc.) o STS (most profiles of it, anyway) o WSP (web service provider -- though note that, technically, WSP is a generic term for a responding web service) o Attribute service o SAML authority of any type (note that an IdP is a kind of SAML authority) * Consumers o RP (relying party) o SP (service provider -- though note that, technically, an IdP is a kind of SP) o WSC (web service consumer -- that note that, technically, WSC is a generic term for a requesting web service) o Claims-based service: we agreed that this applies, the lion's share of the time, to the consumer side o Identity-based service: by analogy, we agree that this means the same thing as above, but we deprecate it because it's generally confusing * Infrastructure o Discovery Service o STS (generic uses) o Interaction Service o Identity Mapping Service, etc... * Identity-enabled should be understood to refer to the entire set of producer, consumer, and infrastructure services * Identity services should be understood to refer to the set of producer and infrastructure apps [edit] Drill-down Eve refers to a diagram (p. 5) that shows the pieces of ID-WSF also see the other helpful information in this paper. Conor describes the SOAP Binding spec that profiles WS-Addressing, with "TargetIdentity" profiling that lets you distinguish between a target identity (say, Don's calendar), a requester (say, Conor, who wants to add an entry to Don's calendar using Don's calendar service), and the calendar service itself. Don notes that some people call this human/app distinction "delegation" (a human asking an app to do something on their behalf). WS-Trust today doesn't, by itself, support this, though you could imagine a profile for a service going and getting tokens to behave like the user. ID-WSF's Identity Mapping Service is probably closest to this approach, but for a person acting as another person, not a service doing it. The claims-based identity approach as reflected in Zermatt expresses identity in a variety of ways. Don points to the Zermatt white paper. Don notes that WS-MetadataExchange, WS-Transfer, and WS-ResourceTransfer got submitted to W3C just this week. [edit] Services cooperating on behalf of one or more humans Potential use case alert: apps acting on behalf of humans Is this our first obvious case where some mutual profiling might be beneficial, with WS-Trust/WS-Addressing/ID-WSF SOAP-Binding/ID-WSF SecMech getting together to solve the general use case of humans asking applications to act on their behalf? In ID-WSF there are "named" and "unnamed" parties; Don is mostly interested in the "named" case. There are some "helper" headers in ID-WSF that aren't trusted (it's outside the security headers) that you can look up in order to quickly process the message -- this is for an efficiency use case. But mostly the work is done in security-related headers. OAuth essentially exists for apps to act on behalf of humans, but it doesn't have all the other security protections or expectations of policy enforcement that ID-WSF has. Conor noted in email that "WS-Security and WS-Addressing are already profiled. There's a couple of headers that we've defined that were not clearly supported in WS-* at the time (and may still not be)." Note that SAML assertions only have room for one Subject (though you can put what Liberty calls "identity tokens" into, say, Advice). In the WS-Trust context, if you've issued a token to a service that has delegation rights to act for a human, that token actually grants authorization. By contrast, in ID-WSF this gets requested (with data about the two identities fully present in the token) but authorization is only granted by the WSC being approached itself. Conor observes that there are "Libertyisms" in the SOAP Binding headers that should be removed in order for all these kinds of services to be composable together. We discussed, in the course of looking at the Authentication and SSO Services, the ability of SOAP Binding (we think) for doing updates to EPRs, in a way that's reminiscent of session keys only they're for web services. Potential use case alert: humans acting on other humans' services Then there's the use case of having multiple human parties involved, possibly hosted at different providers. The token needs to represent, at a minimum, that Conor is operating on Don's data that's not his own so that this can be audited. (Another scenario is customer support, where you have a support person pretending to be the customer.) We discussed whether there's a bright line between the admin-acting-as-his-boss use case and the wife-adding-entries-to-her-husband's- calendar use case. There is one, *if* the calendar service records the action as being done (at some significant level) by the boss alone. Delegation gives you permission to do tasks related to my data/services on my behalf (and amounts to visible or audited impersonation); mere garden-variety access control gives you permission to do tasks on my data/services on your own behalf. The semantic distinction makes a difference, e.g., for liability. [edit] Discovery of identity-producing services There seems to be some disagreement in the Liberty community about whether its Discovery Service is, or should be, a strong or weak PEP, or a PEP at all. Conor believes the latter. George gives an example of someone SSO'ing using a Shib ("claims-based" anonymous) model -- if you want to authorize them to get to some other service through your Discovery Service, that should work. Conor points out that the DS, when it does choose to give a WSC (requesting service) a token in order to locate the WSP (provider), the WSP always still has to authorize the WSC to get in. The DS token is just a "letter of introduction", so that the true authorization step is late-bound. Don pushes back on the value/need for discovery of a person's services. Conor gives the example of being able to change banks in a loosely coupled fashion, even though you've given permission to some other service to charge you through "your bank" (whatever it is today, when they happen to need access it). John notes that this is a VRM use case! John also notes that XRDS is of interest to many people as a discovery mechanism, whether instead of or in combination with an ID-WSF-style discovery service. Conor argues that it's good to preserve the ability to be dynamic in discovery, even the service locations are largely statically determined today; static IP address assignment seemed like a good idea once upon a time too! We note that XRDS is meant for public or otherwise non-access-controlled retrieval of identifier metadata (even if the identifier itself is not global or generally known) in a lightweight fashion, whereas the Discovery Service is meant for private discovery and must be bootstrapped by the target identity "connecting" first (even with an anonymous bearer token). Don asks if it makes sense to deploy a discovery model that is scoped only to work for a virtual organization, joint venture, or other multi-domain organization -- where some people might be using on-premise services and others are coming in from the cloud. ID-WSF says nothing about the size of CoTs/federations, and scoping it down is certainly possible. The concern is a privacy/firewall one; some services perhaps shouldn't even be seeing the list of services that a DS exposes. There is flexibility in how, and when, to throttle what services a requester sees. Conor notes that privacy has been built into the way the Discovery Service works, in that you can't use the EPR for the DS that gets passed during bootstrapping as a correlation handle, and the DS doesn't know about the attributes that are available about you. It's only there to give the location of the service provider, but not anything more about it. The DS knows which requesters have come to it, but not what they're there to do. In fact, having the ability to divide up one's identity data into multiple places (services) can be considered a privacy enhancement. [edit] ID-SIS services and the Data Services Template Brett notes ID-WSF provides a light wrapping around its core services, which has been conceived of as a key Liberty differentiator. The DST makes it even easier to define new value-add services when what you're doing is operating on data in a CRUD-based fashion (vs. doing work like generating tokens). You could use the DST to declare that the purpose of a service is, say, to expose a particular block of XML content. John asks if there's a similarity between the DST and the notion of XDI data services. XDI seems to go further in dealing with fine-grained access control to the data (link contracts). However, the DST does have a basic model for access control so that it's possible to give users a reasonable interface for setting it up. Maybe at some point we'll look closely at the DST and the ID-WSF design patterns document for additional use cases, but for now there's no need. [edit] Mapping common claims and roles Potential use case alert: common claims We agree that it's useful to sync up the claims/attributes that are commonly used (e.g. in ISIP and the Personal Profile Service), but we caution that this can be an endless task and we should scope it. Eve points out Darran Rolls's new effort called the Open Role Exchange alliance. Drummond notes that he's working on a Community Dictionary Service -- a project of the Identity Schemas Working Group. It's a sort of Wikipedia for folksonomies. [edit] ID-WSF services that issue tokens Conor's conception is that the services, such as the ID-WSF Authentication Service, that currently do some kind of token issuance or exchange job without WS-Trust should be redefined to become profiles of WS-Trust to the extent possible. The candidate services, and brief explanations of them, are: * Authentication Service (AS) Why are we authenticating a user using ID-WSF (vs. using something like SAML)? There might be a rich-client application (say, on a laptop) -- a lowercase "wsc" -- that needs to authenticate a user before interacting with a WSP online. The AS checks user credentials and returns a DS bootstrap EPR or -- we're not sure about this -- a token that contains an EPR. The AS is based on SASL in order to allow for a variety of authentication methods. In a WS-Trust-flavored model, it's likelier to be appropriate simply to return an AS token with a DS bootstrap EPR in it. Conor is comfortable with a token being returned in some future version, as long as he can get a DS EPR out of the token. Could in the RSTR structure be used? Currently, the AS response is a SASL response (compared to a WS-Trust RSTR structure). Is it possible to have a single WS-Trust implementation that will work for all the cases? WS-Trust already has a model for including authentication proof. * Single Sign-On Service (SSOS) The SSOS is somewhat similar to the AS, except that it doesn't literally authenticate the user; it just communicates with the IdP to get an SSO token. The client might be a phone that you use to go over to Flickr. The phone needs an SSO token to log you in to Flickr, and, being a smart client, it knows where to find your IdP to pick one up (and then it uses it with Flickr's non-ID-WSF interfaces). * Identity Mapping Service (IMS) This service was created support multi-principal interactions. It issues "identity tokens" only (identifier information potentially unsigned, and without any implication that the principal has been authenticated, and without carrying any authorizations -- and as a consequence they may have a longer lifetime). If I want to do something to your calendar, I need to get hold of your IMS in order to learn what your identifier is at that calendar). This can be thought of as "user-to-user federation". The IMS function is needed in a multi-service, multi-IdP, multi-principal ecosystem so that the target identity field can be populated correctly but the principal's privacy is still protected through pseudonyms. SecMech Section 6 defines "identity tokens". Several token types are defined/profiled for this purpose. XDI deals with this requirement using i-numbers, where you could create a different identity for each service and each i-number for each service is unique. * Identity Provider Service (IdPS) This service is used by the Advanced Client's Trusted Module to obtain Minting & Minted assertions (which allow the TM to act in the name of the IdP for transactions from the user's platform) -- spec. [edit] Summary of areas to explore The areas mentioned below all have cross-references to discussions above where relevant. [edit] Higher-priority areas * ID-WSF Authn Service/ID Mapping Service/SSO Service/IdP Service and WS-Trust Note that the IdP Service is new; it's defined in the Liberty Advanced Client specs. This list of services generally relies on the security token in the header in order to function correctly (vs. putting the relevant token in the body of the request), so there's some dependency on the next couple of areas mentioned below, but there's a theoretical separation. * ID-WSF SOAP Binding and WS-Addressing See the discussion on services cooperating on behalf of one more humans, above. * ID-WSF SecMech and WS-SecurityPolicy E.g., we believe ID-WSF has a security policy saying that all Liberty headers must (or should?) be signed. How should this change? Also, ID-WSF currently profiles only the SAML token. Do we need to go beyond this? * Discovery Service EPR metadata, WS-SecurityPolicy, and WS-Fed service metadata This ultimately relates to ID-WSF SecMech and WS-SecurityPolicy, listed above. Don notes that WS-Fed metadata is not just for SAML-like services, but also identity services, so it should be examined for implications as well. Although the discovery function of the Discovery Service is of less interest to Don based on what he's hearing from customers, Conor feels that the SecMech/WS-Security area can't be fully explored without also dealing with this area. John and Drummond observe that Project Higgins has an interest in discovery as a function, which can include the Discovery Service. * Discovery Service query operation This might express WS-SecurityPolicy as part of the operation. Note that having the DS not hand out a token at all is an option in ID-WSF, and may be closer to the expected way WS-Trust works. See the discovery discussion, above. [edit] Lower-priority * XRDS and Discovery Service See the discovery discussion, above. This is prioritized lower because, as interesting as it is, it's secondary to the topics in the charter. Let's boil the pond first, before getting to the ocean. :-) We hope the XRDS experts among us will alert us when the discovery harmonization work is in danger of an unnecessary or unmotivated mismatch. * InfoCard claims and ID-SIS Personal Profile Service fields While this is lower-priority, we won't stop others from jumping in and taking a look! * Identity selector and Interaction Service This would make the selector a communications endpoint that the IS can use. Could XRDS have a role in helping the selector (perhaps through a browser plugin) be online and "engageable"? Are any of the Liberty "smart client" specs relevant to solving this problem? * Infocard to ID-WSF Discovery Service bootstrapping We anticipate that this is straightforward, in the sense that a managed card provider knows "where the Discovery Service lives" (if it isn't synonymous with it). We anticipate that this would involve authentication with a amanged card, with the bootstrap EPR in a token issued by the IP STS as a required claim. It may not make any sense to do this for a self-issued card. Don notes that he sees strong possibilities for enterprise use of infocards, especially where a single employee has to act in multiple roles (e.g., doctors when they're prescribing, or a "floating" role of watch-commander in emergency situations). People can switch to a higher- or lower-privileged role for getting into certain apps. [edit] Next steps We think we're actually pretty far along in achieving the goals set out in our charter. However, we want to: * Ensure that the work done at this F2F is reviewed and ratified, and that any new use cases get shaken out * Get one level deeper in the educational and compare-and-contrast exercises on these technologies, possibly producing description documents for this purpose (similar to the Liberty TEG's original "WS-Addressing strawman") * Take into account any near-term news in the identity standardization landscape We agreed to make Don and Eve the co-chairs by acclamation. :-) We don't anticipate that there's that much work left, and Don has to do a bit of due diligence to confirm this but that's the tentative plan of record. --- end From eric at projectliberty.org Wed Aug 20 08:07:08 2008 From: eric at projectliberty.org (Eric Tiffany) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:07:08 -0400 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? Message-ID: I wonder how the SIG-WSH views the nascent OASIS Discovery TC http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200807/msg00012.html It seems like this new TC is shrink-wrapped around the input specs, including WS-Discovery, with little room for anything but rubber stamping. Not sure how much opportunity there will be for harmonization, given that the TC seems to be singing in unison (if a little off-key). But since discovery is a key piece of technology that will be central to any sort of interoperability or convergence, it seems like this TC may be a place for engagement. ET -- ____________________________________________________ Eric Tiffany | eric at projectliberty.org Interop Tech Lead | +1 413-458-3743 Liberty Alliance | +1 413-627-1778 mobile From conor.p.cahill at intel.com Wed Aug 20 13:30:49 2008 From: conor.p.cahill at intel.com (Cahill, Conor P) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03D46F33@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Last time I looked at it, WS-Discovery was about discovering service endpoints on the local network (e.g. how a device can find a media service in the home network) as opposed to how to look up a user's service. I'm not sure there's an overlap other than name. Conor -----Original Message----- From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eric Tiffany Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:07 AM To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? I wonder how the SIG-WSH views the nascent OASIS Discovery TC http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200807/msg00012.html It seems like this new TC is shrink-wrapped around the input specs, including WS-Discovery, with little room for anything but rubber stamping. Not sure how much opportunity there will be for harmonization, given that the TC seems to be singing in unison (if a little off-key). But since discovery is a key piece of technology that will be central to any sort of interoperability or convergence, it seems like this TC may be a place for engagement. ET -- ____________________________________________________ Eric Tiffany | eric at projectliberty.org Interop Tech Lead | +1 413-458-3743 Liberty Alliance | +1 413-627-1778 mobile _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectli berty.org From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Wed Aug 20 17:54:12 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:54:12 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? In-Reply-To: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03D46F33@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03D46F33@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: (I love the term "shrink-wrapped"!) I finally went and looked at the charter, and indeed I think Conor's description is still true. So we may have to deal with the confusion around "Discovery" in the name (this is something a lot of people went through when WS-Discovery first came out a few years back), but I think it's not really in this SIG's scope. Anyone have a diverging opinion?... Eve On Aug 20, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Cahill, Conor P wrote: > Last time I looked at it, WS-Discovery was about discovering service > endpoints on the local network (e.g. how a device can find a media > service in the home network) as opposed to how to look up a user's > service. I'm not sure there's an overlap other than name. > > Conor > > -----Original Message----- > From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org > [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eric > Tiffany > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:07 AM > To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Subject: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? > > I wonder how the SIG-WSH views the nascent OASIS Discovery TC > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200807/msg00012.html > > It seems like this new TC is shrink-wrapped around the input specs, > including WS-Discovery, with little room for anything but rubber > stamping. > > Not sure how much opportunity there will be for harmonization, given > that > the TC seems to be singing in unison (if a little off-key). But since > discovery is a key piece of technology that will be central to any > sort > of > interoperability or convergence, it seems like this TC may be a place > for > engagement. > > ET > -- > ____________________________________________________ > Eric Tiffany | eric at projectliberty.org > Interop Tech Lead | +1 413-458-3743 > Liberty Alliance | +1 413-627-1778 mobile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectli > berty.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. From drsecure at us.ibm.com Wed Aug 20 19:54:47 2008 From: drsecure at us.ibm.com (Anthony Nadalin) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? In-Reply-To: References: <1B47D24854C7BC4FA8DA28BEBB59B0BA03D46F33@orsmsx419.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: An endpoint can also be a users service as everything winds up being an endpoint, one thing it does bring is the SOAP over UDP for certain class of devices Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122 From: Eve Maler To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Date: 08/20/2008 08:56 PM Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? (I love the term "shrink-wrapped"!) I finally went and looked at the charter, and indeed I think Conor's description is still true. So we may have to deal with the confusion around "Discovery" in the name (this is something a lot of people went through when WS-Discovery first came out a few years back), but I think it's not really in this SIG's scope. Anyone have a diverging opinion?... Eve On Aug 20, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Cahill, Conor P wrote: > Last time I looked at it, WS-Discovery was about discovering service > endpoints on the local network (e.g. how a device can find a media > service in the home network) as opposed to how to look up a user's > service. I'm not sure there's an overlap other than name. > > Conor > > -----Original Message----- > From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org > [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eric > Tiffany > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:07 AM > To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Subject: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? > > I wonder how the SIG-WSH views the nascent OASIS Discovery TC > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200807/msg00012.html > > It seems like this new TC is shrink-wrapped around the input specs, > including WS-Discovery, with little room for anything but rubber > stamping. > > Not sure how much opportunity there will be for harmonization, given > that > the TC seems to be singing in unison (if a little off-key). But since > discovery is a key piece of technology that will be central to any > sort > of > interoperability or convergence, it seems like this TC may be a place > for > engagement. > > ET > -- > ____________________________________________________ > Eric Tiffany | eric at projectliberty.org > Interop Tech Lead | +1 413-458-3743 > Liberty Alliance | +1 413-627-1778 mobile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectli > berty.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Although perhaps that's implicit for WSH as a profile of WS-* for identity paul -- Paul Madsen e:paulmadsen @ ntt-at.com NTT p:613-482-0432 m:613-302-1428 aim:PaulMdsn5 web:connectid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Eve Maler To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:54:12 PM Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? (I love the term "shrink-wrapped"!) I finally went and looked at the charter, and indeed I think Conor's description is still true. So we may have to deal with the confusion around "Discovery" in the name (this is something a lot of people went through when WS-Discovery first came out a few years back), but I think it's not really in this SIG's scope. Anyone have a diverging opinion?... Eve On Aug 20, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Cahill, Conor P wrote: > Last time I looked at it, WS-Discovery was about discovering service > endpoints on the local network (e.g. how a device can find a media > service in the home network) as opposed to how to look up a user's > service. I'm not sure there's an overlap other than name. > > Conor > > -----Original Message----- > From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org > [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Eric > Tiffany > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:07 AM > To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > Subject: [Sig-wsh] Harmonization and new OASIS Discovery TC? > > I wonder how the SIG-WSH views the nascent OASIS Discovery TC > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200807/msg00012.html > > It seems like this new TC is shrink-wrapped around the input specs, > including WS-Discovery, with little room for anything but rubber > stamping. > > Not sure how much opportunity there will be for harmonization, given > that > the TC seems to be singing in unison (if a little off-key). But since > discovery is a key piece of technology that will be central to any > sort > of > interoperability or convergence, it seems like this TC may be a place > for > engagement. > > ET > -- > ____________________________________________________ > Eric Tiffany | eric at projectliberty.org > Interop Tech Lead | +1 413-458-3743 > Liberty Alliance | +1 413-627-1778 mobile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectli > berty.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sig-wsh mailing list > Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org > http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080821/6cd79d5b/attachment-0001.html From donsch at windows.microsoft.com Fri Aug 22 12:03:56 2008 From: donsch at windows.microsoft.com (Don Schmidt) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:03:56 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted In-Reply-To: <191286.94461.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <191286.94461.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33BF2387@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> I must respectfully decline the co-chair role at this time. I will continue to be fully engaged in the SIG and champion the goals we outlined at the f2f. --des From: sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org [mailto:sig-wsh-bounces at lists.projectliberty.org] On Behalf Of Paul Madsen Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:43 AM To: Eve Maler; sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted I support the chair acclamation and the description of goals and priorities as minuted One question what was the contezt for 'ID-WSF currently profiles only the SAML token. Do we need to go beyond this' paul -- Paul Madsen e:paulmadsen @ ntt-at.com NTT p:613-482-0432 m:613-302-1428 aim:PaulMdsn5 web:connectid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Eve Maler To: sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:05:00 PM Subject: Re: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted We're not meeting tomorrow F2F after all, so the notes on the site now are "final" (other than corrections etc.) Please review ASAP! http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/Web_Services_Harmonization_SIG Thanks to Don, his admin Frank, and Microsoft for hosting the meeting. Eve On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Eve Maler wrote: > I'm refreshing these notes every hour or so: > > http://wiki.projectliberty.org/index.php/SIG-WSH_Aug_08_Redmond_F2F > > We have hung up the dial-in line because no one had been on it for a > while. If you want us to open the line again, please IM Eve > ("xmlgrrl" on AIM, Y!, GTalk, and Skype) or send an SMS to +1 425 345 > 6756. > > Eve Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. _______________________________________________ Sig-wsh mailing list Sig-wsh at lists.projectliberty.org http://lists.projectliberty.org/mailman/listinfo/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080822/de6fe340/attachment.html From Eve.Maler at Sun.COM Fri Aug 22 13:55:35 2008 From: Eve.Maler at Sun.COM (Eve Maler) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:55:35 -0700 Subject: [Sig-wsh] Ongoing SIG-WSH F2F notes are being posted In-Reply-To: <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33BF2387@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <191286.94461.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <60BD80BD555E91479F996CCB05EB84980C33BF2387@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: Don-- Sorry to hear the co-chair news, but we'll soldier on and we're glad to have you in a civilian capacity! Conor-- Any news from your end?... Eve On Aug 22, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Don Schmidt wrote: > I must respectfully decline the co-chair role at this time. I will > continue to be fully engaged in the SIG and champion the goals we > outlined at the f2f. > > --des > Eve Maler +1 425 947 4522 Principal Engineer eve.maler @ sun.com Business Alliances group Sun Microsystems, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.projectliberty.org/pipermail/sig-wsh_lists.projectliberty.org/attachments/20080822/4d99306b/attachment.html